KJs in SB vs PFR

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@ Hip

WTF..? I am never half right but always 100% right!

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why are you betting? what hand is going to call you?

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Worse J's, pp's and Tx

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a key here is, the villian might bluff with PP, but may fold if we bet.


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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] I dont see how we can ever expect that...

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He will also bet and Q, J, and probably T if he check.

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Him checking behind a T or J is fairly likely IMO


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HE can't really have a J or T, unless he's horrible.

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Its an unknown at 0.5/1


FWIW I dont think betting is super standard and there are prolly villains out there where c/c is better. I was mostly chocked by people wanting to call the raise.

[TheDudeChad]

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FWIW I dont think betting is super standard and there are prolly villains out there where c/c is better. I was mostly chocked by people wanting to call the raise.

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Although I'm sure you're right, a few things:

1. I have seen many villains try desperation bluffs with busted flush draws, busted straight draws (not many here, but still possible), or even something like 44. Of course, getting 9:1 is probably not enough hoping to catch a pure bluff.

2. Bet/folding a river in a blind/button battle is going to make people take a ton of shots at you in similar situations.

I think not bet/folding with marginal hands may be a leak of mine. On a scale of 1-10, how big of a mistake do you think calling this river is?

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On a scale of 1-10, how big of a mistake do you think calling this river is?

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1000000

Quoting metagame reasons for calling is just not good enough.

- People are grossly overestimating how often this gets bluff raised
- An unknown a 0.5/1 is not going to go nuts on the river just cuz you bet/fold a few times


That said you should off course take Shania into consideration, however, this does not mean blindly calling down. It means making more calls after bet/folding a few times and making more folds after a few loose call downs.

[TheDudeChad]

Thanks Oink.

Another leak to plug...

[simonmfromgu]

Hi,

thanks a lot for your participation.

Indeed, I was shown QJ. However, I don't think b/f is right against an unknown. For sure, I might be beaten, and I might be beaten quite often.
But the pot is quite big at this point and I'm pretty sure you'll catch sby raising this river with a worse J, Tx, a busted draw or even 72o more than once in 10.

Of course, I might induce a (semi)bluff with a less J, Tx, a smaller PP or a air again, but I doubt this overbalances the b/c line.

Kind regards