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03-26-2007, 10:52 PM
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Re: Tiger Woods, just as an amateur, Casey Martin
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1) All those saying Tiger is the second best ever is misreading the OP. It asks if he ONLY had an amateur career. E.g., he died in 1996. Obviously he wouldn't be considered 2nd best of all time had he died in 1996. 2) All those mentioning being tired after walking 18 holes, I thought it was a given that Martin, even with the cart, was more tired after 18 holes because of his disease. [/ QUOTE ] #2 is irrelevant to the conversation and can't be measured anyaway. 
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03-26-2007, 11:12 PM
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Re: Tiger Woods, just as an amateur, Casey Martin
Mentioned once but not again, professional golfers are such bitches that they want complete silence to hit a stationary object. Martin should have the cart just to [censored] with them.
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03-27-2007, 04:35 PM
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Re: Tiger Woods, just as an amateur, Casey Martin
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Mentioned once but not again, professional golfers are such bitches that they want complete silence to hit a stationary object. Martin should have the cart just to [censored] with them. [/ QUOTE ] 100 PERCENT RIGHT! If you want to give them all a cart I have no problem with it. Its not a [censored] sport anyway. The fact they have caddies is a complete [censored] joke. The reason they didnt let him use the cart is they want to pretend that gold is a sport instead of what it actually is in most case: a sport for pretensious [censored] sucking rich white spoiled [censored]. You dont want to compete against people in wheel chairs? Then go play an actual sport. If there is a bowler in a wheel chair would he be allowed to compete in the PBA? Or would the walk from the bar to the lane be too much be so important to the integirity of the game? Why let poker players in wheel chairs play? They have to get up and walk when there table gets changed in a tournament, thats gotta hurt the endurance.
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03-26-2007, 10:36 PM
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Re: Tiger Woods, just as an amateur, Casey Martin
Used to be a guy who played at Commerce who was blind. He would sit in the 1 seat and the dealer would whisper his cards to him and tell him the board.
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#6
03-26-2007, 08:44 PM
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Re: Tiger Woods, just as an amateur, Casey Martin
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Assume Tiger Woods never plays golf again, after winning his 6th consecutive USGA tourney, 3 Juniors, 3 US Am's. Where does he fall in golf history? Consider the question if he is struck by lightning and dies, or if he were to simply never win another tourney. [/ QUOTE ] As someone else said, if he were to die after winning his sixth USGA tourney as an amateur (before his 1997 Masters win and all that followed), he would be remembered along the same lines as Len Bias, a talented successful non-professional. If Tiger were to die now, imho he would be considered the greatest golfer ever. He's on pace to pass the major record of Nicklaus, easily, and he has beaten Nicklaus' record in just about everything. Were he to continue playing and never win another major (doubtful), the argument may be different. [ QUOTE ] Do you think Casey Martin should have been allowed to ride in a cart? I say yes, I think of a poker analogy,, what if a blind man wanted to play poker? Would it be such a big deal for someone to tell him what his cards are, even though you're only supposed to have one player to a hand? Consider a scenario where Casey Martin was possibly the best player in the world. If I am the best, I want him out there, so I can play against him, so we can settle who is the best. I admit fatigue can set in, but its a very small part of the game, just like reading your cards in poker, even though sometimes, you may mistake a club for a diamond. I can certainly understand the other side of the argument, and I think Finchem handled it well by saying the PGA wanted Casey to play, but they wanted it to be on their terms. Also, if you're not a golfer, please mention that when responding to this, as I think it is important. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, without a doubt he should be able to ride in a cart. Golf is a game of shot-making, not endurance. As for having a so-called advantage riding in a cart, Casey is more tired after playing 18 in a cart than anyone else is walking 18. The only argument you can make is that the PGA is allowed to make their own rules. My argument to that is that the PGA represents the identification of the best player in world. The best player in the world is the best shotmaker, not the one who has the most endurance. I've played in tournaments throughout the Midwest, including state golf association events, and I've ridden in many of them (just not USGA or college events). Not one of those tournaments have ever been declared NULL due to riding in carts. None of the trophies I have has an asterisk on them. As for keeping a level playing field (by not having carts), why don't we level the field for Casey by breaking the feet of every other competitor?
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#7
03-28-2007, 06:16 PM
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Re: Tiger Woods, just as an amateur, Casey Martin
Here is what Jack Nicklaus said in 2001: Jack Nicklaus took issue with the justices' opinion that walking was not a fundamental part of the sport.
"I think we ought to take them all out and play golf," Nicklaus said. "I think they'd change their minds. I promise you, it's fundamental." The end. Sidenote: Should I buy the Callaway X-20 irons?
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#8
03-28-2007, 08:17 PM
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Re: Tiger Woods, just as an amateur, Casey Martin
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Here is what Jack Nicklaus said in 2001: Jack Nicklaus took issue with the justices' opinion that walking was not a fundamental part of the sport. "I think we ought to take them all out and play golf," Nicklaus said. "I think they'd change their minds. I promise you, it's fundamental." The end. Sidenote: Should I buy the Callaway X-20 irons? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. The end. Jack has a lot of delusions.
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#9
03-29-2007, 02:26 AM
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Re: Tiger Woods, just as an amateur, Casey Martin
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Here is what Jack Nicklaus said in 2001: Jack Nicklaus took issue with the justices' opinion that walking was not a fundamental part of the sport. "I think we ought to take them all out and play golf," Nicklaus said. "I think they'd change their minds. I promise you, it's fundamental." The end. Sidenote: Should I buy the Callaway X-20 irons? [/ QUOTE ] Nicklaus changed his mind.
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#10
03-29-2007, 08:16 AM
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Re: Tiger Woods, just as an amateur, Casey Martin
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[ QUOTE ] Here is what Jack Nicklaus said in 2001: Jack Nicklaus took issue with the justices' opinion that walking was not a fundamental part of the sport. "I think we ought to take them all out and play golf," Nicklaus said. "I think they'd change their minds. I promise you, it's fundamental." The end. Sidenote: Should I buy the Callaway X-20 irons? [/ QUOTE ] Nicklaus changed his mind. [/ QUOTE ] That wouldn't be a surprise with Nicklaus.
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