3k buy-in, big stacks, out in 5 minutes...am I stupid or badluck - Page 3

IvanXDurham · #21 05-12-2007, 11:02 PM

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He of course rivered the diamond and raked in a huge pot. And after roughly 20 minutes in the casino, and 5 minutes at the table, I was back on my 3 hour drive home after losing the 3k buy-in of course.

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"Oreo, have you been reading my diary??"

betgo · #22 05-13-2007, 03:26 PM

I think the preflop raise was an error due to the depth of money. The deeper the money, the less valuable are high card hands and the more important is position. With 600xBB stacks, when you raise AQo from the blinds and get called by small pps or suited connectors/gappers, you are probably at a significant disadvantage.

renodoc · #23 05-13-2007, 05:24 PM

When I am the villain in this hand I table 77 here almost every time. And, i don't make the little speech either.

Most people don't want to go out the first 5 minutes. Since two pair is never the nuts, and you had a draw heavy board anyway, you really need to think about whether or not you are willing to go broke here when you call the push. (The way the hand was played, you needed to think about this a lot earlier) You were very lucky he was on a draw, but villians play really isn't that awful here. You are supposed to fold top two to his push here most of the time, and when you don't he has outs....

betgo · #24 05-13-2007, 09:02 PM

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When I am the villain in this hand I table 77 here almost every time. And, i don't make the little speech either.

Most people don't want to go out the first 5 minutes. Since two pair is never the nuts, and you had a draw heavy board anyway, you really need to think about whether or not you are willing to go broke here when you call the push. (The way the hand was played, you needed to think about this a lot earlier) You were very lucky he was on a draw, but villians play really isn't that awful here. You are supposed to fold top two to his push here most of the time, and when you don't he has outs....

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I think the call of the push was a good one. You are getting good pot odds at this point. You have 4 outs against 77. 77 is the only hand ahead of yours, unless villain limp/called with a big pair. You are way ahead of a combination draw or a lower 2 pair often enough to be ahead of pot odds.

The preflop raise and the reraise on the flop were questionable and probably stem from a lack of understanding of how to play 600xBB.

Jimbo · #25 05-13-2007, 09:48 PM

Considering all his "possible" holdings it is clear your all-in call was wrong. 1800+1000+3000+6000+ his bet of essetianlly 19,000 required you to call your last 19K into a @31K pot. Suppose he has Ad kD you are a very small favorite 55%, if he has 777 you lose 83% of the time. Why would he call a raise preflop with Q 7 or A7 offsuit? You must be very very sure that he wouldn't limp wih AA or (less likely) even QQ.

Deep stack tournaments are lost early and won late, easy fold.

Jimbo

THAY3R · #26 05-13-2007, 09:54 PM

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Deep stack tournaments are lost early and won late, easy fold.

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I hate it when people say stupid cliches like this.

Jimbo · #27 05-13-2007, 09:55 PM

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Deep stack tournaments are lost early and won late, easy fold.

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I hate it when people say stupid cliches like this.

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really? Why? You have a better theory or method?

Jimbo

THAY3R · #28 05-13-2007, 10:01 PM

My method would be to make +EV decisions regardless of how early the tourney is and whether or not I am risking my TOURNAMENT LIFE.

Jimbo · #29 05-13-2007, 10:35 PM

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My method would be to make +EV decisions regardless of how early the tourney is and whether or not I am risking my TOURNAMENT LIFE.

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I agree with that completely, I thought my cliche' was used well considering the context of the OP.

Jimbo

Arnfinn Madsen · #30 05-13-2007, 10:49 PM

Checking out this forum, clicking the 1st thread and it is this. I really run bad [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. To you guys who won't raise preflop because the hand is marginal, wth play deepstack if you won't play poker when stacks are deep [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. Your ambition is to be only +EV when you have a hand you know for sure is best? Not going to play any poker at all?