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Old 05-19-2007, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: tilt explained (by neuroscience)

What drugs mellow the amygdala but do not (or only minimally) effect the lymbic system?
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Old 05-19-2007, 10:15 PM
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Default Re: tilt explained (by neuroscience)

haha -- you want a cheap out huh. Its called self control, motivation, experience and maturity. Good Luck.
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Old 05-20-2007, 06:09 AM
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Default Re: tilt explained (by neuroscience)

so then whats the explanation for players who don't tilt? i'm curious, being one myself. is it simply the fact that i've conditioned my brain not to see a bad beat as a 'threat'?
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Old 05-21-2007, 06:21 PM
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haha -- you want a cheap out huh. Its called self control, motivation, experience and maturity. Good Luck.

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lol. better living through science. I bought some of that L-Theanine today and just took one. I'm gonna use it for a few days straight to see if I notice a difference. I guess I feel a little calmer from taking it.

I have heard that beta blockers are good. In fact I have heard that some physicians take them as a PRN prior to giving a speech to deal with the stage fright. It's my understanding that they don't impair judgement like benzo's do. Thoughts?
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:17 AM
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Default Re: tilt explained (by neuroscience)

bkholdem,
thats correct, it doesnt impair judgement. i've taken propranolol before. it slows down your heart rate, keeps you from studdering, and shaking. good for stage fright.

if you're thinking of taking it to control tilt, it wont work.

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Old 05-22-2007, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: tilt explained (by neuroscience)

the best way to control tilt is playing only a few tables, being well rested, in shape, a good diet, and a good social life. Nothing good comes cheap.
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Old 05-22-2007, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: tilt explained (by neuroscience)

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bkholdem,
thats correct, it doesnt impair judgement. i've taken propranolol before. it slows down your heart rate, keeps you from studdering, and shaking. good for stage fright.

if you're thinking of taking it to control tilt, it wont work.

gl

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RU sure? As it stands now I don't blow cash when on tilt but do step away from the tables much more frequently than I would like. I had read a bit about it being used to control tilt to some extent, more on how archers use it and pool players and I think it's banned in archery events.

What would it do re: poker? Reduce visual tells at live games when you have a good hand?

Does it treat impulsiveness at all? What kind of secondary uses does it have?
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Old 05-22-2007, 07:17 PM
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Default Re: tilt explained (by neuroscience)

You could have heart-rate induced tilt according to Blink by Malcom Gladwell (also a pretty good book.)

I can't recall exactly what he says but there is something like an ideal elevated heart rate where your brain is getting the right amount of blood to make good decisions. Then there is a rate above that where your body starts sending a bunch of blood to your legs for you to run away and such and your brain gets less at that point and it can badly affect your judgement.
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Old 05-22-2007, 07:23 PM
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Default Re: tilt explained (by neuroscience)

I study psychology at university and that was a very nice summary of the brain systems.

But you are essentially just telling us that we tilt because we lose control.... DUH.

But well said anyway.
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Old 05-23-2007, 07:46 PM
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Default Re: tilt explained (by neuroscience)

if you shake or show nervous signs during a bluff for example, then propranolol will prevent it but it shouldnt change your racing thoughts, or frustration.
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