Congratulations WPEX on dumbest improvement ever

[icheckcallu]

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Actually you are quite off as you must not play on wpex. HUDs are not useable since there were no names in hand histories. There was some software to get around it for sometime and then I think support dropped off. I was tempted a few times to go through the hassle of using a bunch of programs to get a workable hud going but I felt that it was better to simply play it the way that the GM wanted.

The reason the change upsets me is that now I can not track my own results via pokertracker for tax info and for just general examination of my hands.

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so how are u not able to track using pokertracker ? Couldnt u just play the YES HAND HISTORY TABLES?> is you stupid or something>?

[Palomino]

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WPEX has now implemented no hand history tables. So now everyone is free to collude. Also, if fish decide to play on the tables it is now a complete pain in the ass to get info for reporting taxes.
Oh and think about how easy it is to lose with your aces and then lose the hand history number forever because the next hand folded through before you write down the number for aces never lose.

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ye well ant u just play on the yes handhistory tables?? is you dumb or what>>>>

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As was stated before, if you think that choosing which tables to be at will be the answer, then you've obviously never played at wpx.

[Emperor]

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You can't please everyone. But we're trying.

Fred Balfour
GM
WSEX.com

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This is a joke right?

You have a couple dozen players. You're splitting them up onto different tables.

If you really wanted to drive traffic to WSEX you would attempt to implement policies bringing you on par with the top sites.

You're going in the opposite direction.

[KSOT]

Quick, someone make a program that can get hand histories from the non-hand history tables!

Don't forget to charge everyone $20 for it and then disappear two months later when it becomes outdated.

[Repsychler]

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You can't please everyone. But we're trying.

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You can't please everyone. You paid people to play poker (no rake + aces cracked) and they still whined.
My problem with this decision is the fact that it will split up the already meager player base. We need to consolidate the players, not spread them out.

[Komodo]

Whats your problem? Cant beat fish without pokertracker Huh?

[Lester B]

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Thank you.

You have a choice. You can play on the HH tables or the non-HH tables. The HH tables have all of the table names.

If you don't want to be datamined, play on the non-HH tables. You want to datamine others and be datamined yourself, enjoy the full HH tables.

You can't please everyone. But we're trying.

Fred Balfour
GM
WSEX.com

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The problem is, Fred, that although the idea has merit, unless the traffic grows to the point that there an abundance of games going on both varieties of tables, it will not work.

You have to play on the tables where there's a poker game going on. That's the only relevant factor for me when I log on to play. I am not going to sit alone waiting for people to join when there are already games going at tables of the opposite variety.

The no HH deal for AA cracked has already burned me once. As a low stakes player, the EV in that promo alone is not worth the sacrifice.

The thing I don't get, is why would WPX think there are players that wouldn't want datamining allowed, and furthermore would they boycott WPX if it were allowed? Has anyone protested this? Basically every major site's HH files allow this. Why draw attention to it by having two different tables.

I would speculate that a lot of fish either don't know about PT/HUDs or don't care. Think about all of the "How-To" poker books that are inexpensive and are easily obtainable anywhere in the world via amazon.com. Why don't fish read the books? Because they don't feel it's worth A) their money, B) their time to acquire the book and read it and C) their effort in understanding the material.

The know the books are available, and they know that there's potential that their opponents have read the books. But they don't care. You can delve into the psychological phenomenon that is the mindset of a degenerate gambler/fish further if you care to. The point is, calling attention to it is probably doing more harm than good.

It think it'd have been better just to allow it on all tables without all this fanfare and be done with it.

Just a though.

[jafeather]

I've got to agree with many on this issue. Perhaps down the road, after growth, this idea would have been a great implementation. Now, though, all you are doing is dividing an already thin player base.

You want to give us the choice of which we play. You are not. You are simply providing a second type of table that we will be FORCED to play because that's where the game is at that particular time. You simply don't have enough players for this to be considered a choice.

[Benjamin]

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Why not make the non-HH tables still have HH w/o player names like the old HH? Then you could still track your own stats on these tables and also have the hand # for AA promo.

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Yeah, I don't understand this either. Why in the world would a site not want to you be able to look at YOUR OWN HANDS?. I had no problem playing with no names in the HH, I will have no problem playing with names in the HH. But I do have a problem without being to download MY OWN STATS.

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How about a hand history stub that only records the hand number, game type, your cards, and how much you won or lost on the hand?

[Benjamin]

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You want to give us the choice of which we play. You are not. You are simply providing a second type of table that we will be FORCED to play because that's where the game is at that particular time. You simply don't have enough players for this to be considered a choice.

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Come on, quasi-pro grinders dominate the site, and the main reason everyone gives for catering to them is that they start and keep games going.

If any significant number of you live up to that argument, the HUD games should run much more frequently than the no-HUD.