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Old 10-31-2007, 07:14 PM
bilbo-san bilbo-san is offline
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Default Re: How to play double gutter in 3bet pot?

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If you push turn, what are you hoping to fold out?

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Well, we fold some of his range preflop, then more of his range on the flop, then even more of his leftover range on the turn.

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Lol.

Turn push is fine if he is the type to call flop lightly with any pair b/c "he beats AK".

But against a lot of guys a turn push sucks because on such a dry flop, very little of his flop calling range is c/folding the turn.

So bet flop. Take free card if he calls.

Ans let's say he c/pushes over your $30 cb. Pot is $322, it's $153 for you to call. You should probably call. Your equity is 31% if he's NEVER EVER EVER bluffing:

Board: 5c 9s Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 31.431% 31.43% 00.00% 12758 0.00 { 8h7c }
Hand 1: 68.569% 68.57% 00.00% 27832 0.00 { JJ+, 99, 55, AJs, J9s, AJo }
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:21 PM
The Rat Pack The Rat Pack is offline
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Default Re: How to play double gutter in 3bet pot?

well done bilbo
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:25 PM
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Default Re: How to play double gutter in 3bet pot?

Thought about this hand for a bit.

I like a flop bet.
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Old 10-31-2007, 11:36 PM
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Default Re: How to play double gutter in 3bet pot?

im betting this flop everytime because im betting this flo pwith AA-JJ. and i fold if he c/r the flop

b/f or b, check, free river >>>>>>>> check, shove turn
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Old 10-31-2007, 11:47 PM
Paul Thomson Paul Thomson is offline
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Default Re: How to play double gutter in 3bet pot?

Bilbos post is good. But I want to mention some other factors which are unique to this spot vs the speedlimits 3-bet pot that got so much attention.

Hero's outs are hidden, therefore he can play it slower knowing there is a greater chance he'll get paid off if he hits.

Hero's in position which also means he MIGHT want to play it slower so as not to negate the value of position.

The board is very dry which I think can cause a variety of reactions from the Villain (none-the-less, the villain is unlikely to have tptk or better.)
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:06 AM
garcia1000 garcia1000 is offline
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Default Re: How to play double gutter in 3bet pot?

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Turn: ($51) 9 (2 players)
MP bets $32, Hero raises to $183.05

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no, bet/call flop

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So make a continuation bet of 2/3-full pot and call a push w/ 8 outs??????????
mmmmm, k.

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I think this is the funniest part of the thread
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:06 AM
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Default Re: How to play double gutter in 3bet pot?

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If you push turn, what are you hoping to fold out?

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Well, we fold some of his range preflop, then more of his range on the flop, then even more of his leftover range on the turn.

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Old 11-01-2007, 12:21 AM
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Default Re: How to play double gutter in 3bet pot?

You pretty much hit your dream flop now play it like the nuts.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:47 AM
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Default Re: How to play double gutter in 3bet pot?

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You pretty much hit your dream flop now play it like the nuts.

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Old 11-01-2007, 12:48 AM
early325 early325 is offline
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Default Re: How to play double gutter in 3bet pot?

you 3-bet light so you can win pots like this right?

bet the flop..

as played call the turn..even if you check AA/KK a decent amount on this flop (not really sure why you would though)
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