Moving In With Deuces

[Brocktoon]

I think Noah is pretty much right.

Aside from weird payout structures or increasing FE with lower bet sizes, the only answer is that your opponent is the sort of player who will fold all the hands that he would to an all-in for a min raise (or some other small raise) and who will only move in if he has a pair.

I'm sure there are a lot of other fold/shove ranges for BB where a smaller raise is more profitable than open pushing but thats the gist. There are probably very few players in the real world who play in that manner, though I'm sure there are some.

[BigAlK]

I discussed this with my advisor on poker questions and the conversation went like this:

Her: Are you sure this is a tournament?

Me: It was posted in the MTT forum so I assume so.

Her: Is it a satellite, maybe on the bubble?

Me: It might be, let's assume not for now.

Her: Are you leaving out any other relevant facts like you always seem to do?

Me: No, I think that's it.

Her: Grandpa, stop being so weak-tight. Pooossshh.

[FortunaMaximus]

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Rarest of exceptions would be a Villain who will call with any two in a BvB.

Effectively a HU question.

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I'm pretty sure it would still be profitable... because of hands we dominate like 23, etc.
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 50.3340 % 49.39% 00.95% { 22 }
Hand 2: 49.6660 % 48.72% 00.95% { random }

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Dang. Thin as it gets. And 'course the antes justify moving in regardless.

[0evg0]

...And in a surprising development Noah gets an A+ and 90% of the responses in this thread are borderline hysterical

[MLG]

if villain's preflop calling ranges are very lose, and his flop calling ranges are very tight. then raising to 30 and shoving any flop is better.

[betgo]

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Rarest of exceptions would be a Villain who will call with any two in a BvB.

Effectively a HU question.

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I'm pretty sure it would still be profitable... because of hands we dominate like 23, etc.
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 50.3340 % 49.39% 00.95% { 22 }
Hand 2: 49.6660 % 48.72% 00.95% { random }

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Dang. Thin as it gets. And 'course the antes justify moving in regardless.

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With the blinds and antes and FE, pushing any two is probably cEV+ compared to folding. It doesn't matter that 22 is even versus a random hand.

[FortunaMaximus]

Seems to, considering antes and an opponent that will call with any two.

Brings up a question, though, is it +cEV to call with 22 if SB is moving in with any 2?

So the antes create an artificial situation where both are correct.

[hamnegger]

9 players make the final table and you want to be on tv and there are a few shorter stacks

[Phanekim]

I am with David on this one. You don't want to raise just 40. Depending on how big BB is he can just reraise you. If you were gonna call anyways, then why not go all in and cut off his ability to reraise you.

Fortuna had best answer in this. Going all in with 2s is not smart when the BB is liable to call with any two cards. This is usually the case if the bb is short stacked. In this case, you have no fold equity. Once you have no fold equity, you are either a coin flip or he has you dominated. THis means you are -ev.

[FortunaMaximus]

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I am with David on this one. You don't want to raise just 40. Depending on how big BB is he can just reraise you. If you were gonna call anyways, then why not go all in and cut off his ability to reraise you.

Fortuna had best answer in this. Going all in with 2s is not smart when the BB is liable to call with any two cards. This is usually the case if the bb is short stacked. In this case, you have no fold equity. Once you have no fold equity, you are either a coin flip or he has you dominated. THis means you are -ev.

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No, I didn't, Phanekim, and replies have established why my assumption was incorrect.

However, I did offer a betgo a posit that I'm interested in hearing his opinion on.