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Old 03-12-2007, 12:31 PM
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Initially I was going to disagree with you, but the more I think about it, the more I am sure it is one of the worst signings in recent history.

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it's pretty bad...i just hope the contract can be voided, though i doubt this...i mean, how could junior allow this stipulation to be written into his contract if he had something to hide?? still, it'd be a great precedent if the owner could do it...
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:39 PM
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Reggie Willits

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PECOTA;

Willits: .250/.329/.335, 3.1 WARP, $6.9m MORP
Matthews: .274/.345/.429, 4.3 WARP, $10.975 MORP

Common sense also works against Willits. He's 26, never been a top prospect, and has a whopping 58 big league plate appearences.

Sorry. Try again.

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I would take Willits over Matthews for the league minimum for 1.2 WARP difference.

This should be obvious.

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I don't know. I think it's a cardinal sin to not spend all of the money. In addition, Willits is aboout 1 win better than whoever the Angels would have to run out there as a fourth outfielder, so it's really a two win improvement. I don't think the contract measures up from a pure value perspective, but I don't really think that's what it's all about. Sometimes you've just got to put the best team on the field, and I think GMJ helps them do that.

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most teams have to consider marginal wins / dollars spent. I think the bigger point is that money could buy more incremental wins at other positions. Spending a lot of money is not as good as spending a lot of money wisely.

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I don't think they could have spent their money any more wisely. Not in the free agent market anyways. The Angels basically got the best center fielder and the second best first basemen and right handed reliever available. The only other player they signed was Darren Oliver.

Every deal signed for more than GMJ was as bad or worse. The only player better than GMJ that signed for less is Julio Lugo. I can't see where else they could have spent their money.
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Old 03-12-2007, 04:12 PM
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rwperu,

LOL
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Old 03-12-2007, 05:40 PM
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The best center fielder?

WHAT?

Are you [censored] serious?
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Old 03-12-2007, 05:47 PM
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The team that wins the free agency battle is almost always the loser when you think about it.
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Old 03-12-2007, 05:51 PM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ai...o&type=lgns
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Old 03-12-2007, 05:58 PM
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rwperu,

Half of the time you post really intelligent stuff that makes me think you know what you're talking about, and half the time you post such inane total horseshtt that I think Assani is posting on your account.
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Old 03-13-2007, 03:56 AM
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rwperu,

Half of the time you post really intelligent stuff that makes me think you know what you're talking about, and half the time you post such inane total horseshtt that I think Assani is posting on your account.

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Thanks for the compliment and LOL on the rip.

In this thread I'm just trying to look at the GMJ deal from the perspective of a team that wants to win this year and fill it's holes via free agency.

I'm not trying to imply that GMJ is the best centerfielder in the game. I'm saying he's the best they could get. Who could they have gotten that's better? They were in on Soriano until the end, but the Cubs won out. Edmonds was 99% to resign in St. Louis. They could have jumped on Drew to play center, but he's just as overpaid as GMJ with a lot more risk. Next on the list is Pierre.

Then look at what they have on the farm. Nobody in the Angels system has the upside to equal GMJ in anywhere in the outfield, let alone center. On top of that, Garrett Anderson and Vlad aren't getting any younger on the corners, so any fourth outfielder or young player that emerges will have to cover those two.

The bottom line is, the Angels made this move out of need. Even though it's a five year deal and they are clearly overpaying for the long haul, GMJ is a clear upgrade for them in center field for the next two years. He should be at least close to league average when the deal ends, which may not be worth $10m, but it's not completely worthless.

It's also important to note that the Angels have deep pockets and will be shedding the Garret Anderson contract after 2008, so they'll still have plenty of flexibility in the future. With their youth and cash to spend, the Angels should be a contender every year in the near future.
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Old 03-13-2007, 03:58 AM
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The team that wins the free agency battle is almost always the loser when you think about it.

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In the long term. Most teams, especially the ones that have the cash year in and year out to win the free agency battle are correct in having a very short term perspective.
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Old 03-13-2007, 08:22 AM
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Yeah, but the problem is if they could've just thrown $20 mil for 2 years, or even $15 mil for 1 year it's a much better deal than $50 over 5 where you're tied down into a deal with a guy who's 32 and just had a banner year in a contract year.
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