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Old 11-07-2007, 04:58 AM
Dr_Wonderful Dr_Wonderful is offline
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Default Re: $16 - KQ SB

I think that calling and pushing PF are close, it would really depend on the opponent for me. Completely readless I'd probably take a flop. As played I would certainly lead out and push on turn.
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Old 11-07-2007, 05:19 AM
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Default Re: $16 - KQ SB

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Shoving 14x over a limp is probably pretty thin, taking a flop with KQ is far from bad.

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With the limper in play u have an effectively ~8BB. Shoving Pre is not that bad an option but I think you need reads on CO to do this. However readless its quite marginal and taking a flop is the best option.

As played shove over his bet on the turn.
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Old 11-07-2007, 05:42 AM
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Default Re: $16 - KQ SB

CO just limping suggests A weak kicker or worse. I think a raise pre flop to 300 is about right. The BB will go out if he has rags and you will get more idea on CO with his call/raise/fold before you see flop.

I just hate getting into a pot with the BB not having been asked a question. After the flop you have a good hand but absolutely no idea about the BB.

As played I cannot lay down after the turn.
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Old 11-07-2007, 06:35 AM
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Default Re: $16 - KQ SB

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CO just limping suggests A weak kicker or worse. I think a raise pre flop to 300 is about right.

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Yuk. I hate a raise here. OOP for the whole hand, and very unlikely to fold out the limper. Any c-bet will leave me shortstacked if he calls it, and following up on the turn will mean pushing with nothing all too often.
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Old 11-07-2007, 06:39 AM
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Default Re: $16 - KQ SB

Yeah, small raise is without a question the worst play imaginable here.
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