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#21
06-23-2007, 03:19 PM
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Re: Don\'t tap the Tank -- How do you handle this.
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6-12 Canterbury I'm in seat 5. Seat 7 isn't playing ATC, but he's pretty darn close. Truly playing 85% of his cards. Since he's on a rush and seems to be sucking out every time, the table sees most of the cards he's playing. Pretty soon, seat four starts ripping into him -- "How can you call with that crap .... Don't you know anything about poker, etc." I try to quietly tell him, let it go, but he is having none of it. 45 minutes (and three racks of chips) later Seat 7 gets up and leaves. At which point three other players rip into seat 4, explaining that when someone is betting like that, the last thing you want to do is mock him. That if Seat 7 is going to play those hands, we want to keep him here as long as possible, and that his actions probably drove the guy from the table. Anyway -- the question before the floor, what do you do when someone at the table is berating someone you want to keep around? [/ QUOTE ] I prefer pointing out that person's own poker flaws, and try to get the table to chime in on them as well. It's very easy to do, and it shifts the momentum to them almost at once. Many times they'll begin to act defensive, or attempt to justify their reasoning behind their poor decisions. This'll immediately take the heat off of the person being berated by the so-called expert and shuts down the idiot once the microscope is turned upon themselves. DUI 
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#22
06-23-2007, 04:08 PM
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Re: Don\'t tap the Tank -- How do you handle this.
If sitting close to the fishy player, talk to him-her about other topics (not poker) and engage them so they donīt have to listen to the loudmouth tapper.
If close to the loudmouth, distract them by questioning them. "Sounds like you are on a losing streak." "Bitter, much?" "There is a seat open at the bigger game if you are bored here."
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#24
06-23-2007, 04:31 PM
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Re: Don\'t tap the Tank -- How do you handle this.
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i usually say stuff like rather be lucky then good! holy cow you're on a rush, if i was on your rush i'd play every hand! to seat 4: you're just getting outplayed, watch him get even more upset, then laugh at him iwth seat 7 holy cow you can't miss! reinforce their bad play, as being on a rush, and that they need to keep doing it. [/ QUOTE ] One i like: The less you bet, the more you lose when you win!
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#25
09-07-2007, 09:57 AM
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Re: Don\'t tap the Tank -- How do you handle this.
I was recently at a table with a Fish Berater. He was semi-drunk, a decent LAG, one of the top 2-3 players at the table, but couldn't resist berating the fish. I saw 3 fish not rebuy at our table specifically because of him. This really bothered me and is why I am making this post, I think his attitude problems cost me real money.
He wasn't just berating their play, also their clothes, accent, hair, skin, etc. The fish were wonderfully awful. I loved that table. I was getting the best of him, so I didn't want him to leave. I told one fish sitting next to me to stay (she was about to leave because of his abuse) because she was a much better player than him, and would beat him in the long run (even though I knew that was hogwash). Now, if this ever happens again, what is my best course of action? Talk to the player away from the table? Talk to the Floor away from the table? Which one should I try first and why? Thanks
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#26
09-07-2007, 12:10 PM
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Re: Don\'t tap the Tank -- How do you handle this.
1.) Buy the fish a drink or 3 & ask them to tell the table their life story
2.) follow aquarium-tapper to the head at first opportunity for a curt STFU followed by a swift KITN
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#27
09-07-2007, 01:01 PM
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Re: Don\'t tap the Tank -- How do you handle this.
This is one of the biggest fallacies in all of poker. I hate reading this stuff. No matter what anyone says, berating fish 95% of the time has zero effect in any form. They don't leave the table, they don't take it to heart and change their style, and they sure as hell don't say to themselves "you know what, he's right, I do suck, right to HoH Volume 2 Monday morning!". Almost all of the time, the talk either leads to a small argument, or is ignored. The fish then continue doing what they do to define themselves, which is playing poorly. Someone calling PSB's on gutshots will not have a light go on in their head that indicates they should not do so simply because Seat 6 said "wow, thats bad". In fact, fish are MORE likely to continue their bad calldowns at a higher rate in order to show the so called great players that ANY TWO CAN WIN BABY AND IT'S ALL ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE FLOP!
The examples listed are isolated ones. I'm sure for every story mentioned above, the people involved have been at 20 tables where fish didn't get up and leave. I personally am a talker, and play consistently with two other people whop verbally blast harder than I do, and rarely if ever have I seen someone leave or alter their play. Bottom line, it's poker, not the opera, if someone wants to exercise their right to say what they feel, thats their business. People don't go to a casino in order to follow YOUR verbal demands in order to have YOUR winrate go up. If someone says something and you're not involved, mind your own business and use whatever you hear on either end to your advantage.
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#28
09-07-2007, 01:46 PM
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Re: Don\'t tap the Tank -- How do you handle this.
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Bottom line, it's poker, not the opera, if someone wants to exercise their right to say what they feel, thats their business. People don't go to a casino in order to follow YOUR verbal demands in order to have YOUR winrate go up. If someone says something and you're not involved, mind your own business and use whatever you hear on either end to your advantage. [/ QUOTE ] Nobody has the right to berate other players at the table. No-one. Most people play poker to have fun, less fun means they are less likely to come back. You are just trying to justify your own tilty behavior.
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#29
09-07-2007, 02:00 PM
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Re: Don\'t tap the Tank -- How do you handle this.
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Try to engage the fish in friendly conversation and keep him happy. [/ QUOTE ] That's part 1. Part 2 is berating the other guy's play. Start nipping at him with little barbs about bad decisions. That has several benefits. - it will take the heat off the fish - it might tilt him since he's irritated already - it will shut him up w.r.t. irritating the fish If the fish is pretty intelligent, you have to be very subtle how you do this or else he'll know what you're doing. No matter how dumb the fish is, don't start brown-nosing his play overtly - anyone can figure that out. By the way, some of the other players at the table will have a clue what you're doing, and all of them will probably be supportive of you, silently or not.
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#30
09-07-2007, 02:03 PM
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Re: Don\'t tap the Tank -- How do you handle this.
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When he loses a pot with 3rd pair no kicker, shake your head in disgust while saying "oww, tough break" and talk to him for 15 minutes about his bad beat and how you cant believe his hand didnt hold up. [/ QUOTE ] A bit hamfisted, ne c'est pas? A lot of fish aren't stupid ya know. They know they're playing badly, they are just having fun and enjoying their gamble. They don't need to be patronized (unless they're stupid and have serious insecurity issues.)
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