Absolute Cliffsnotes (Mod edit: AP thread, part 2)

[dibbs]

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If Seif is cheating, how stupid is he to say "brb, let me get my doomswitch, etc." then use it?

This will end any chance of UIGEA going away anytime soon.

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I'll still be pretty surprised if this gets out huge, I doubt AP will EVER admit that their security was compromised, and just close his account for chip dumping or something.

It'll probably be murmured throughout the industry for some time, but hopefully, and probably, bleed in with the murmurs of other conspiracy theories.

[jman220]

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so you're sayin theres a chance?

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Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle FTW.

Occam's Razor FTAW.

[frinxor]

Well he obviously knows he's been outed as a cheater, and is trying to come across as just a "maniac" now instead of a "maniac cheater"... Too obvious and pretty pointless, but at least he's given some of his cheated winnings away.

What's suprising is that while Absolute "looks into things," they have yet to lock his account or freeze his funds. Maybe the company themselves are involved in this, and they're saying "O sh*t we've been caught, lets work on PR and recovery and fix this...."

[Parlay Slow]

Can you explain how the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is relevant?

[jman220]

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Well he obviously knows he's been outed as a cheater, and is trying to come across as just a "maniac" now instead of a "maniac cheater"... Too obvious and pretty pointless, but at least he's given some of his cheated winnings away.

What's suprising is that while Absolute "looks into things," they have yet to lock his account or freeze his funds. Maybe the company themselves are involved in this, and they're saying "O sh*t we've been caught, lets work on PR and recovery and fix this...."

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I actually agree that the fact that his account isn't locked is really bad. Not so much for the suspected cheating, but for the really really obvious chip dumping he did afew days ago. Absolute and Full tilt lock accounts all the time on the drop of a pin for even suspected chip dumping, so why is his account still active? This is not looking good for absolute IMHO.

[jman220]

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Can you explain how the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is relevant?

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It was a joke in response to his "so its possible."

[ImsaKidd]

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Can you explain how the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is relevant?

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We're uncertain of a lot of things right now.

The principle has the word uncertain in it.

= Relevance.

[adanthar]

thanks to p5's, I got the HH for potripper's first 2 hours. Unfortunately, PT can't import it for some freak reason again, so I'm going through it manually.

First big doubleup hand:

Table: 13 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer [ 2007-09-12 21:15:24 ]
Stage #896578317 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $20
- 2007-09-12 21:15:24.010 (ET)
Seat 4 - POTR0AST ($9875 in chips)
Seat 5 - POKERME420 ($10320 in chips)
Seat 6 - SCOTT_NZL ($9795 in chips)
Seat 7 - DZ00NUTS ($8452 in chips)
Seat 8 - KOOLKEITH13 ($9960 in chips)
Seat 9 - SCARFACE_79 ($9970 in chips)
Seat 1 - BIGREDAK86 ($9940 in chips)
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($14152 in chips)
Seat 2 - JOSIAHW ($7466 in chips)
POTR0AST - Posts small blind $10
POKERME420 - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [5s Js]
SCOTT_NZL - Calls $20
DZ00NUTS - Raises $60 to $60
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $160 to $160
POKERME420 - Folds
POTR0AST - Folds
SCOTT_NZL - Calls $140
DZ00NUTS - Calls $100
*** FLOP *** [7d 2d 4c]
SCOTT_NZL - Checks
DZ00NUTS - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $300
DZ00NUTS - Folds
SCOTT_NZL - Raises $900 to $900
POTRIPPER - Raises $2000 to $2300
SCOTT_NZL - Raises $4640 to $5540
POTRIPPER - All-In(Raise) $11692 to $13992
SCOTT_NZL - All-In $4095
POTRIPPER - returned ($4357) : not called
*** TURN *** [7d 2d 4c] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [7d 2d 4c 7c] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10h 10c] (Two Pair, tens and sevens)
SCOTT_NZL - Shows [8c 8h] (Two Pair, eights and sevens)
POTRIPPER Collects $19780 from main pot

This would be donkish but normal in any tournament except the 1K. In the 1K, it's suspicious given our other evidence so far. But let's move on. The very next hand:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [9d Ad]
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Raises $50 to $50
BIGREDAK86 - Raises $180 to $180
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $180
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $130
*** FLOP *** [4h 9s Ah]
SCARFACE_79 - Checks
BIGREDAK86 - Checks
POTRIPPER - Checks
*** TURN *** [4h 9s Ah] [2h]
SCARFACE_79 - Bets $280
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
POTRIPPER - Folds

He coldcalls 2 bets cold (the first of 472 times). Someone else flops 2 pair. c/f.

Next hand:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [Jh Jc]
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $60 to $60
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Calls $60
DZ00NUTS - Calls $60
KOOLKEITH13 - Raises $300 to $310
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $290
POTRIPPER - Folds
POKERME420 - Calls $250
DZ00NUTS - Calls $250
(lotsa action later)
KOOLKEITH13 - Shows [Kh As] (ace high)
POKERME420 - Shows [Qs Qh] (One pair, queens)

He raises but then folds to a RR and 2 CC's. Standard, except this is 1 of about a dozen times he's going to fold PF in 2 hours.

Let's keep going:

BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTR0AST - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $90 to $90
POKERME420 - Raises $180 to $180
DZ00NUTS - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $330 to $420
POKERME420 - Calls $240
*** FLOP *** [10d 7d 4d]
POTRIPPER - Checks
POKERME420 - Bets $1800
POTRIPPER - Folds
POKERME420 - returned ($1800) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POKERME420 - Shows [7c 7h] (Three of a kind, sevens)

and going...

*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [10d Js]
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Raises $120 to $120
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Calls $100
POTRIPPER - Raises $520 to $560

Where have we seen this betting pattern before?

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [8s 8d]
DZ00NUTS - Calls $40
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $40
POTRIPPER - Raises $160 to $160
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Calls $120
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $120
*** FLOP *** [Js 3d Kh]
DZ00NUTS - Checks
SCARFACE_79 - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $320
DZ00NUTS - Calls $320
*** TURN *** [Js 3d Kh] [Kd]
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $5240
DZ00NUTS - Folds

what a great cold 3 bet sniffing out 2 bluffs on an 8 high flop...

POKERME420 - Raises $200 to $200
DZ00NUTS - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $200
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $175
POTR0AST - Folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 6d 3s]
POTRIPPER - Checks
POKERME420 - Bets $250
KOOLKEITH13 - Raises $850 to $850
POTRIPPER - Raises $5700 to $5700
POKERME420 - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds

followed by another great read 3 hands later...

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [3d 6c]
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $250 to $250
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Calls $250
DZ00NUTS - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [4h 5c 6d]
POTRIPPER - Bets $150
POKERME420 - Calls $150
*** TURN *** [4h 5c 6d] [As]
POTRIPPER - Bets $250
POKERME420 - Raises $800 to $800
POTRIPPER - All-In(Raise) $27797 to $28047
POKERME420 - Folds

here's one of his other folds:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [2d 4h]
DZ00NUTS - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Raises $450 to $450
JOSIAHW - Calls $450
POTRIPPER - Folds
POTR0AST - Raises $1700 to $1700
POKERME420 - Folds
JINXY_MONKEY - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds

who wants to guess what potroast had there? anyone?

owned by RNG on yet another fantastic read:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [8h 6d]
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $600 to $600
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
JINXY_MONKEY - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $450
*** FLOP *** [3s As 10s]
KOOLKEITH13 - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $750
KOOLKEITH13 - Raises $2100 to $2100
POTRIPPER - Calls $1350
*** TURN *** [3s As 10s] [Qd]
KOOLKEITH13 - All-In $2554
POTRIPPER - Calls $2554
*** SHOW DOWN ***
*** RIVER *** [3s As 10s Qd] [Qc]
POTRIPPER - Shows [Ah 2c] (Two Pair, aces and queens)
KOOLKEITH13 - Shows [Jd Qs] (Three of a kind, queens)

another fold:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [Qd Qh]
POTRIPPER - Folds

he's reraised PF 43875783457845 times so far, but just calls this time. fortunately for him, JJ has, at most, one out:

*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [Jh 3d]
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
JOSIAHW - Raises $600 to $600
POTRIPPER - Calls $600
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
JINXY_MONKEY - Folds
DZ00NUTS - Calls $400
*** FLOP *** [2d 2s 5s]
DZ00NUTS - Checks
JOSIAHW - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $1000
DZ00NUTS - Folds
JOSIAHW - All-In(Raise) $4291 to $4291
POTRIPPER - Calls $3291
*** TURN *** [2d 2s 5s] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [2d 2s 5s Kd] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JOSIAHW - Shows [Jc Jd] (Two Pair, jacks and twos)
POTRIPPER - Shows [As Ac] (Two Pair, aces and twos)

another fold:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [Ah Ad]
SCARFACE_79 - Raises $550 to $550
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
POTRIPPER - Folds

check this entire hand out. Nice semibluff on the turn:

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [9h 9c]
OBV_DONK - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $600 to $600
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
JINXY_MONKEY - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $600
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $500
BIGREDAK86 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah Ac 8c]
SCARFACE_79 - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $400
KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $400
SCARFACE_79 - Calls $400
*** TURN *** [Ah Ac 8c] [3c]
SCARFACE_79 - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $1800
KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $1800
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
*** RIVER *** [Ah Ac 8c 3c] [Kd]
POTRIPPER - Bets $2999
KOOLKEITH13 - Calls $2999
POTRIPPER - Shows [Ks Qd] (Two Pair, aces and kings)
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KOOLKEITH13 - Mucks
POTRIPPER Collects $12958 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($12958)
Seat 1: BIGREDAK86 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Board [Ah Ac 8c 3c Kd]
Seat 2: OBV_DONK Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: POTRIPPER won Total ($12958) HI$12958) with Two Pair, aces and kings
Seat 8: KOOLKEITH13 (dealer) HI: [Mucked] [9s 9d]

what's slowplay vs. 2 pair precious

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [9h 8c]
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Folds
JINXY_MONKEY - Folds
CLOVER777 - Folds
KOOLKEITH13 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
BIGREDAK86 - Raises $600 to $600
OBV_DONK - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $400
*** FLOP *** [Kd Js As]
POTRIPPER - Checks
BIGREDAK86 - Bets $888
POTRIPPER - Calls $888
*** TURN *** [Kd Js As] [6h]
POTRIPPER - Checks
BIGREDAK86 - All-In $2652
POTRIPPER - Calls $2652
*** RIVER *** [Kd Js As 6h] [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BIGREDAK86 - Shows [Jc Ah] (Two Pair, aces and jacks)
POTRIPPER - Shows [10h Qd] (Straight, ten to ace)
POTRIPPER Collects $8560 from main pot

open folding the button for the only time in 2 hours:

POTRIPPER - Folds
POTR0AST - Folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POKERME420 Collects $575 from main pot
POKERME420 - Shows [Ac Kc]

another well executed squeeze

Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [10h 8h]
POKERME420 - Folds
JINXY_MONKEY - Folds
CLOVER777 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Raises $800 to $800
AUTOSMOKE - Calls $800
OBV_DONK - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $2950 to $3100

great read one more time sir. also, good river vbet:

POTRIPPER - Raises $1600 to $1600
POTR0AST - Calls $1600
POKERME420 - Folds
BLANCONEGRO - Folds
CLOVER777 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [9h 6h 6s]
POTRIPPER - Bets $2800
POTR0AST - Calls $2800
*** TURN *** [9h 6h 6s] [3c]
POTRIPPER - Bets $5200
POTR0AST - Raises $10400 to $10400
POTRIPPER - Calls $5200
*** RIVER *** [9h 6h 6s 3c] [5h]
POTRIPPER - Bets $6000
POTR0AST - Calls $6000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [Qs 3s] (Two Pair, sixes and threes)
POTR0AST - Mucks
*** SUMMARY ***
POTRIPPER Collects $42560 from main pot
Total Pot($42560)
Board [9h 6h 6s 3c 5h]
Seat 1: AUTOSMOKE Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: OBV_DONK Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: POTRIPPER won Total ($42560) HI$42560) with Two Pair, sixes and threes
[Qs 3s - B:6s,B:6h,P:3s,B:3c,P:Qs]
Seat 4: POTR0AST HI: [Mucked] [Jc As]

next hand:

POTRIPPER - Raises $1600 to $1600
POTR0AST - Folds
POKERME420 - Calls $1600
BLANCONEGRO - Folds
CLOVER777 - Folds
SMOOVESTEELY - Folds
*** FLOP *** [2d Ad 5s]
POTRIPPER - Bets $400
POKERME420 - Calls $400
*** TURN *** [2d Ad 5s] [5h]
POTRIPPER - Checks
POKERME420 - Bets $1200
POTRIPPER - Raises $2400 to $2400
POKERME420 - Calls $1200
*** RIVER *** [2d Ad 5s 5h] [8d]
POTRIPPER - Bets $3600
POKERME420 - All-In(Raise) $15790 to $15790
POTRIPPER - Calls $12190
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POKERME420 - Shows [Jc Kd] (One pair, fives)
POTRIPPER - Shows [As 2h] (Two Pair, aces and fives)
POTRIPPER Collects $41340 from main pot

[This hand got mixed in with the others sent to me somehow - its from an hour later] I think he just got bored at this point/had pot odds to call anyway/note his stack:

Seat 9 - SCARFACE_79 ($11616 in chips)
Seat 1 - AUTOSMOKE ($6564 in chips)
Seat 2 - OBV_DONK ($5675 in chips)
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($89564 in chips)
Seat 6 - BLANCONEGRO ($8730 in chips)
Seat 4 - POTR0AST ($17340 in chips)
Seat 7 - CLOVER777 ($2195 in chips)
Seat 8 - SMOOVESTEELY ($18900 in chips)
AUTOSMOKE - Ante $60
OBV_DONK - Ante $60
POTRIPPER - Ante $60
POTR0AST - Ante $60
BLANCONEGRO - Ante $60
SMOOVESTEELY - Ante $60
CLOVER777 - Ante $60
SCARFACE_79 - Ante $60
SCARFACE_79 - Posts small blind $300
AUTOSMOKE - Posts big blind $600
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SCARFACE_79 [7h 10c]
OBV_DONK - Folds
POTR0AST - Folds
POTRIPPER - Raises $1800 to $1800
BLANCONEGRO - Raises $8400 to $8400
SMOOVESTEELY - Folds
CLOVER777 - Folds
SCARFACE_79 - Folds
AUTOSMOKE - Folds
POTRIPPER - Calls $6600
*** FLOP *** [2c 6d Kd]
POTRIPPER - Checks
BLANCONEGRO - All-In(Raise) $270 to $270
POTRIPPER - Calls $270
*** RIVER *** [2c 6d Kd Kh] [3c]
*** TURN *** [2c 6d Kd] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10s Qd] (One pair, kings)
BLANCONEGRO - Shows [8s As] (One pair, kings)

not shown: potripper not missing a single opportunity to perfectly make his opponents fold or value betting TP vs. 2nd pair.

questions?

edit: let's not forget the final hand of the donkament!

Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips)
Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips)
POTRIPPER - Ante $450
CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450
POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500
*** POCKET CARDS ***
POTRIPPER - Calls $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $9000
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000
*** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $13500
CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310
POTRIPPER - Calls $186810
*** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings)
CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings)
POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot

[FatalError]

Mark Seifs Nevada license plate number is UNSEIF can someone find his personal(phone num/address/business address) information so some ballsy people can start harassing him for answers?

edit: i'm not implying some psycho goes and beats him up, but given all the evidence he seems to be the person who can answer to all this evidence, or incriminate himself by refusing to talk about it

[raging member]

maybe brandis playing on his account