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#271
03-12-2007, 09:33 PM
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Re: Stars 25-50 Shortstackers
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[ QUOTE ] btw - how did you determine that it's "very easy"? [/ QUOTE ] ur a bright guy, you can figure out how he came to this assumption. [/ QUOTE ] i can make a reasonable guess, but i thought i'd give him the benefit of the doubt instead of making assumptions. 
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#272
03-13-2007, 12:36 AM
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Re: Stars 25-50 Shortstackers
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] btw - how did you determine that it's "very easy"? [/ QUOTE ] ur a bright guy, you can figure out how he came to this assumption. [/ QUOTE ] i can make a reasonable guess, but i thought i'd give him the benefit of the doubt instead of making assumptions. [/ QUOTE ] most of short stacking is very standard the hardest part is figuring out EV of a shove vs late or MP raisers with various ranges, but even that you can follow intuition by and pokertracker helps a ton in my experience... a former tournament player like myself is very accustomed to figuring out what range of hands is +EV to shove in those situations, and once you get the routine down it really isn't hard or anything thats all gnight
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#273
03-13-2007, 04:05 AM
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Re: Stars 25-50 Shortstackers
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most of short stacking is very standard the hardest part is figuring out EV of a shove vs late or MP raisers with various ranges, but even that you can follow intuition by and pokertracker helps a ton in my experience... a former tournament player like myself is very accustomed to figuring out what range of hands is +EV to shove in those situations, and once you get the routine down it really isn't hard or anything thats all gnight [/ QUOTE ] if you think you're playing anything close to optimal by "intuition" you're crazy, unless that "intuition" was developed by doing the math, in which case it's not intuition at all.
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#274
03-13-2007, 04:11 AM
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Re: Stars 25-50 Shortstackers
also, the fact that you think you can judge how well the short stacks are playing without having done the math is hilarious
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#275
03-13-2007, 04:48 AM
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Re: Stars 25-50 Shortstackers
i thought tag is better than lag for short stacks is this not true?
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#276
03-13-2007, 05:30 AM
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Re: Stars 25-50 Shortstackers
most short stacks prefer flexible-agressive to more common full stack "tag" and "lag" styles
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#277
03-13-2007, 05:41 AM
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Re: Stars 25-50 Shortstackers
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also, the fact that you think you can judge how well the short stacks are playing without having done the math is hilarious [/ QUOTE ] I know the math better than almost anyone. I was beating $5k SNGS on party poker over a year ago and have won dozen and dozens of MTTs. I know short stack poker and ICM and have calculated the EV of a re-raise all in hundreds of times. Are you really that clueless? I won't make the mistake of assuming that people on this forum won't be total ass to anyone who has under 1000 posts and thinks they are qualified to make poker related commentary.
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#278
03-13-2007, 05:42 AM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] BKholdem, Your an idiot and a douche you have said so many incorrect things that it's not even worth pointing them all out. IMO there is nothing wrong with buying in for the min but ratholing is a really unethical and it is just exploiting a leak in the software. Finally I find it funny that people sent fatalerror PM's asking how to shortstack it's not like it's difficult anyone who's decent at MTTs can figure it out pretty easily. [/ QUOTE ] yup. I gave it a try recently, just to experiment. It was very easy, and a top MTT player would be a lot better at it than any of the current short stacks in the game. However, at this point the games have dried up so much, have so many short stacks, and are playing so tight, that I doubt its very profitable for even a very skilled player to shortstack. -Jeff [/ QUOTE ] Time to take that [censored] to 50/100+, dude. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think short stacking a non full ring game is viable, unless its playing really really loose? [/ QUOTE ]lol
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#279
03-13-2007, 05:54 AM
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Re: Stars 25-50 Shortstackers
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[ QUOTE ] also, the fact that you think you can judge how well the short stacks are playing without having done the math is hilarious [/ QUOTE ] I know the math better than almost anyone. I was beating $5k SNGS on party poker over a year ago and have won dozen and dozens of MTTs. I know short stack poker and ICM and have calculated the EV of a re-raise all in hundreds of times. Are you really that clueless? [/ QUOTE ] if you think anyone who's not "clueless" should be aware of all your poker accomplishments... well then i feel sorry for you. someone who's that experienced should know that intuition has nothing to do with good short stack poker. i guess the problem here is that you have no idea what that word means.
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#280
03-13-2007, 06:07 AM
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Re: Stars 25-50 Shortstackers
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] also, the fact that you think you can judge how well the short stacks are playing without having done the math is hilarious [/ QUOTE ] I know the math better than almost anyone. I was beating $5k SNGS on party poker over a year ago and have won dozen and dozens of MTTs. I know short stack poker and ICM and have calculated the EV of a re-raise all in hundreds of times. Are you really that clueless? [/ QUOTE ] if you think anyone who's not "clueless" should be aware of all your poker accomplishments... well then i feel sorry for you. someone who's that experienced should know that intuition has nothing to do with good short stack poker. i guess the problem here is that you have no idea what that word means. [/ QUOTE ] You have already commented on my posts in a hostile manner after misreading them, and now attack me because of my usage of the word intuition. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and clarify anyway. Sometimes a players range of hands is unclear for various reasons (emotional state, changing their game up, adapting to stack sizes, etc), and its difficult to determine their range of raising hands and calling hands, and thus determine the EV of a shove in the 15 seconds or so that one is alloted. In which case trusting ones intuition gained from past experiences (and obviously reevaluating afterwards and plugging some ranges into pokerstove) is necesarry. After playing so much short stack poker (although mine has admittedly mostly been in MTTs and SNGS), I find that my "intuition" in these situations is very rarely wrong. Obviously this is based upon logical reasoning. Perhaps I could have found a better word, I don't care.
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