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#261
09-28-2007, 10:20 PM
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Re: The Fate of #756 by Marc Ecko
BTW, mt2r rocks as a poster though he consistently underrates the pac10. He has pretty clearly listed the obvious arguments for believing Bonds doped and knew it. I think RedBean is not so much arguing against this as he is trying to point out that Bonds was never found guilty of violating any MLB drug/steroid policy. He seems to be arguing from a legal standpoint, and not a rational standpoint. Luckily, Bonds isn't being charged with any criminal actions, so we can use logic and reason to judge him. Whether or not Bonds violated any MLB rule, it seems pretty clear the guy was doping. Doping and sports is bad, m'kay?
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#263
09-28-2007, 10:27 PM
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Re: The Fate of #756 by Marc Ecko
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BTW, mt2r rocks as a poster though he consistently underrates the pac10. He has pretty clearly listed the obvious arguments for believing Bonds doped and knew it. I think RedBean is not so much arguing against this as he is trying to point out that Bonds was never found guilty of violating any MLB drug/steroid policy. He seems to be arguing from a legal standpoint, and not a rational standpoint. Luckily, Bonds isn't being charged with any criminal actions, so we can use logic and reason to judge him. Whether or not Bonds violated any MLB rule, it seems pretty clear the guy was doping. Doping and sports is bad, m'kay? [/ QUOTE ] Well, no not really. All of these "arguments" that myt2r is alluding to (and he is just alluding to them, not actually making them) are arguments that RedBean and others have dealt with in other threads. I'm sure that if myt2r decided to get specific and ACTUALLY MAKE these arguments (rather than just say "you know, the pictures, the stats") then RedBean might spend some more time refuting those as well. But myt2r isn't interested in doing that. He just vaguely alludes to some potential argument, never makes it, and then claims victory when no one steps up to refute his nonsense.
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#264
09-28-2007, 10:28 PM
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Re: The Fate of #756 by Marc Ecko
"I think Bonds did steroids"
"You can't prove it" "I still think that he did steroids" "Yeah but you can't prove it" "I don't care if I can prove it" This is why the two sides will never agree
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#265
09-28-2007, 10:29 PM
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Re: The Fate of #756 by Marc Ecko
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"I think Bonds did steroids" "You can't prove it" "I still think that he did steroids" "Yeah but you can't prove it" "I don't care if I can prove it" This is why the two sides will never agree [/ QUOTE ] "I think Bonds did steroids." "No one cares what you think, you are talking about putting an asterisked ball into the HoF or finding Bonds guilty of something in a court of law." "I think Bonds did steroids."
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#266
09-28-2007, 10:39 PM
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Re: The Fate of #756 by Marc Ecko
Bonds doped
ball being asteriked just isn't about only bonds IMO as I watch a Shawn Merriman Nike commercial
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#267
09-28-2007, 10:47 PM
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Re: The Fate of #756 by Marc Ecko
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Bonds doped ball being asteriked just isn't about only bonds IMO as I watch a Shawn Merriman Nike commercial [/ QUOTE ] you're right - what this is really about is contempt for atheletes - steroids just being the best way to tear them down.
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#268
09-28-2007, 11:05 PM
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Re: The Fate of #756 by Marc Ecko
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"I think Bonds did steroids." "No one cares what you think, you are talking about putting an asterisked ball into the HoF or finding Bonds guilty of something in a court of law." "I think Bonds did steroids." [/ QUOTE ] This is what MT2R and every other person says. "Well, this isn't a court of law, so there doesn't need to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt!" Yeah, great. Nice line of logic you have there.
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#269
09-28-2007, 11:10 PM
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Re: The Fate of #756 by Marc Ecko
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[ QUOTE ] "I think Bonds did steroids." "No one cares what you think, you are talking about putting an asterisked ball into the HoF or finding Bonds guilty of something in a court of law." "I think Bonds did steroids." [/ QUOTE ] This is what MT2R and every other person says. "Well, this isn't a court of law, so there doesn't need to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt!" Yeah, great. Nice line of logic you have there. [/ QUOTE ] Right, they somehow think we are DEMANDING that Bonds be introduced into the Hall of Fame of their hearts.
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#270
09-29-2007, 12:09 AM
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Re: The Fate of #756 by Marc Ecko
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[ QUOTE ] Bonds doped ball being asteriked just isn't about only bonds IMO as I watch a Shawn Merriman Nike commercial [/ QUOTE ] you're right - what this is really about is contempt for atheletes - steroids just being the best way to tear them down. [/ QUOTE ] contempt for athletes? you set my goals as way too low comtempt for society is closer to the truth I love what sports could be and spend a [censored] of time watching, studying, and discussing them
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