Serious Subject Integrity

[BluffTHIS!]

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im impressed with the way u r handling this.

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fsu,

While that is true to a certain extent, there is a reason both of the players in question have been given 2 or 3 stars in OOT. One is less stupid than the other, but still stupid.

[fsuplayer]

agreed, which is why im all the more impressed.

[Ansky]

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im impressed with the way u r handling this.

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I agree...

If rev had come out and made a post like "OMG [censored] YOU GRIM I'LL KILL U IF I EVER SAW U IN REAL LIFE U ANGLE SHOOTER" no one would beleive him or give him any support.

[Melchiades]

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Melchiades,

You are way off base here. It's totally normal for High Stakes poker pros to lend each other thousands, or tens of thousands of dollars just base on their word. If it wasnt life would be much more diffcult.

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Ok? So?

[spino1i]

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Here is a recent IM convo.

Ansky (1:58:28 PM): leaving 2+2?
Grimstarr (1:58:35 PM): lol
Grimstarr (1:58:37 PM): problky
Ansky (1:58:42 PM): i see
Grimstarr (1:58:46 PM): [censored] all those haters
Ansky (1:58:51 PM): like me?
Ansky (1:59:04 PM): just think it was a real lame move man, how can u defend it?
Grimstarr (1:59:19 PM): no defense, clearly
Grimstarr (1:59:22 PM): it was lame
Grimstarr (1:59:24 PM): [censored] up
Grimstarr (1:59:26 PM): dishonest
Grimstarr (1:59:26 PM): w/e
Ansky (1:59:38 PM): well u havcent owned up to it and been a man about it
Grimstarr (1:59:44 PM): but estreets is mildly retarded for trusting someone hes never met
Grimstarr (1:59:48 PM): i have
Grimstarr (1:59:50 PM): admitted it
Ansky (1:59:52 PM): no hes not
Ansky (1:59:57 PM): dude cmon ur being a joker about it
Grimstarr (2:00:01 PM): i wouldnt do it
Grimstarr (2:00:03 PM): ever
Ansky (2:00:03 PM): u think its like hilarious
Grimstarr (2:00:04 PM): for 5k
Grimstarr (2:00:09 PM): the hand it self itsnt
Grimstarr (2:00:12 PM): the responses
Grimstarr (2:00:12 PM): are
Ansky (2:00:12 PM): then ur cheating
Grimstarr (2:00:21 PM): sure
Grimstarr (2:00:25 PM): i am a cheater
Grimstarr (2:00:27 PM): dishonest
Ansky (2:00:28 PM): how is that ok with you
Grimstarr (2:00:46 PM): idk
Ansky (2:01:01 PM): listen man, ur word is everything
Ansky (2:01:09 PM): ppl do not forget this [censored]
Ansky (2:01:13 PM): do u not care at all about that?
Grimstarr (2:01:14 PM): in real life, sure
Grimstarr (2:01:22 PM): online poker != real life
Ansky (2:01:24 PM): this is real life, just cause u dont see their face
Ansky (2:01:48 PM): cheating is wrong
Ansky (2:01:53 PM): and it sucks if u do it
Ansky (2:02:07 PM): i know of a lot of people who i have never met, only online, who i would trust with a lot of money
Grimstarr (2:02:15 PM): well
Grimstarr (2:02:16 PM): i wouldnt do that
Grimstarr (2:02:21 PM): ever
Grimstarr (2:02:25 PM): no questionm
Grimstarr (2:02:29 PM): some random joe comes up to me
Grimstarr (2:02:33 PM): ims me
Ansky (2:02:45 PM): i kno on hsnl, i could send strassa, fsu, degen, azk, they are all trustworthy, with never having met them
Ansky (2:02:56 PM): its not random dude
Grimstarr (2:02:59 PM): well scratch my name off the list
Ansky (2:03:01 PM): u can know ppl without meeting them
Ansky (2:03:06 PM): ur damn right its off that list.
Ansky (2:03:16 PM): can i post this convo on 2+2 man? this is ridiculous
Grimstarr (2:03:23 PM): go ahead
Grimstarr (2:03:30 PM): more drama i can laugh at
Ansky (2:03:34 PM): sure
Ansky (2:03:36 PM): enjoy yourself
Grimstarr (2:03:39 PM): i am

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Well grim made a choice here clearly to sell his repuation for about 1500$ in EV. Personally I think if your going to sell your reputation theres far more clever ways to do it then backing out of a 5k all-in deal when 72o is staring back at you. In the end I think this move was -EV for Grimstarr here. Maybe had it been more money it would have been a +EV move (though still not an honorable one), but not for 1500$

[Kilillan]

I would sell my rep for less than a buyin

[edge]

One thing I really can't stand about this whole poker boom is the number of arrogant immature young kids making phenomenal amounts of money. I know that sounds hypocritical coming from me, since I'm only 21, but what ever happened to modesty? I have actually been thinking about making a thread regarding this subject for some time, but never got around to it.

I'm sure there are plenty of young kids who just go about their ways and make tons of money politely and respectfully, but the nature of this forum means that the braggarts who talk about being balla and mention in passing how they lost enough money to support a family for a year without caring get the most fans. I just think it's really stupid.

Pro sports is the best analogy I can think of to poker--the amount of money you make is directly correlated to your skill. If any pro athlete acted like some of the most popular posters here, they would be ostracized immediately. What makes it ok for a poker player to do it?

[Hattifnatt]

good post edge.

[AZK]

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Pro sports is the best analogy I can think of to poker--the amount of money you make is directly correlated to your skill. If any pro athlete acted like some of the most popular posters here, they would be ostracized immediately. What makes it ok for a poker player to do it?

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This deserves it's own thread, but uh, pro athletes do stupid [censored] all the time that gets them killed in the media and heckled by fans. This is the part that's bothered me. Just cause you have a wicked jump shot or can crack a baseball out of a park everyday does NOT mean you should be held to higher standards than people that can't. I don't care if you are in the lime light or not, normal people do stupid [censored] all the time and don't get as much flack as some of these pros. People seem to think they are godlike or different than us which is why they judge them differently, it's [censored], they are the same. But yes, the nature of online poker/this forum do allow for a bunch of snot-nosed punks to make a [censored] of money and run the show even though they don't have a [censored] clue which way is up. Guess what? I was one of those kids too, so were a lot of posters on this forum, but you don't see us acting like retards (at least not on a daily basis), it's not the money or fame that did it, they were like that all along, the fame and money just made everyone else more aware.

[HP]

If he did have 67o, then grim sold his rep for $718 if anyone was curious

Hand 1: 42.3227 % { 7s6c }
Hand 2: 57.6773 % { random }