FTP locks my account for excess transfers, refuse to answer emails.

[hockey1983]

somehow, i feel there might be more to this situation. They don't ban an acct unless there is some reason. Not the end of the world, now it gives people more reason to not play there, plus its riggedd

[CybrPunk]

Because of this thread, and numerous others like it on these forums, I will be avoiding Full Tilt completely. I had considered moving some money back over there to allow me more game selection but after reading these horror stories I don't trust those clowns with my money.

I hope all works out for you, Kyle. It's ridiculous that these companies can do things like this. This is why sites should be regulated and subject to oversight.

[CrushinFelt]

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Because of this thread, and numerous others like it on these forums, I will be avoiding Full Tilt completely. I had considered moving some money back over there to allow me more game selection but after reading these horror stories I don't trust those clowns with my money.

I hope all works out for you, Kyle. It's ridiculous that these companies can do things like this. This is why sites should be regulated and subject to oversight.

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I'm confused.

The higest PLO games are on full tilt (people with $1mil+ online a lot). Do they just never run into any of these issues? I have just staretd playing on FTP and I've run about $250 up to about $2500. I haven't tried to cash out yet, but I was unaware that it would be a problem (afterall, if they do it for hundreds of thousands for the high stakes players, surely they can handle my $2k?). The only reports I've read about FT being bad are delays, people being like "omg wtf a utility bill?!" because they are inpatient babies, or someone transferring lots of money around.

I think kyle went off of silly advice from this supervisor without actually contacting someone that mattered. I guess I'll find out when I try to cash out.

[StellarWind]

Kyleb, I'm really sorry about your problems and I hope you get your money back.

That said, are you out of your mind!?

1. You are using a poker-only site to move money for illegal sports betting by U.S. residents?

2. You made FTP an accomplice by talking some foolish middle-level manager into approving this crazy idea?

3. You splashed the details all over a major public forum?

You've dragged FTP into money laundering and Wire Act violations. So far the Feds have not directly attacked FTP, PokerStars, and the other pure poker sites. That could change if they are not perceived as being 100% clean except for offering poker.

Plus any hint of money laundering could really hurt current efforts to convince Congress to exempt poker from the UIGEA. You've really done a disservice to all Americans who want to play online poker.

I don't excuse FTP's excessive delays or their poor communications. But I will understand entirely if they return your money and close your account, close a bunch of other accounts, and fire your friend. They need to cleanse themselves of you and your schemes.

Whatever happens I hope you start exercising some discretion about your illegal activities and stop involving poker sites in sports betting.

[kyleb]

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1. You are using a poker-only site to move money for illegal sports betting by U.S. residents?

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No.

The rest of your post is based on this incorrect assumption, so I won't respond to it.

[limitninja]

Full Tilt still hasn't responded why my account has been locked 8 days now since I can't log in.

[PrimordialAA]

umm... this is a joke of a thread. Let's be serious, he is *cough* staking *cough* players with large sums of money to play microstakes until they can cash it all out and go use it for sports betting. Give me a break, although the support issue is completely different (sure, maybe they are horrible, I don't play there), it doesn't change the fact that it is really an idiotic idea to do what he was doing. Sure, FTP should prolly just cash out his $ and close his acct. or whatever, but the fact that poker is trying to gain ground in the US, and this is one of the primary reasons (laundering... yes yes, money laundering, I think that's clear even if FT's policy abides by it cause they played the hands) that it's having trouble in legislation. So seriously... they would be alot safer to check it out and return the funds, than just return the funds and have it come up in a court case against them... come on guys... I mean Kyle, no doubt i'm on your side to get your $ back, but give me a break, it was a dumb idea, and I think we can see why they have to look into it. this isn't saying you didn't have legit stakes going on as well, but it's just foolish to do $ transfers for sportsbooks through a poker site. Also, I agree they're support is prolly awful... but really...

[Wahoo73]

Kyle-

You seem to be a respected poster here, with quite a good number of friends/supporters. Nonetheless, after having read this entire thread, I am skeptical about a lot of your story. Aside from the fact that I have a difficult time believing you would rely on FTP to process dozens (hundreds?) of player to player transfers worth several thousands of dollars for you in an efficient and effective manner, let's examine carefully your record of statements in this thread:

1. "Every single one of them (some 2+2'ers) have responded to their emails and submitted the documents they requested (usually ID and a utility bill),..."

FTP has since told you this is not true: " Many of the players who we have suspended for this investigation have
yet to submit the necessary identification and some have refused to as well." So who is lying? You? FTP? The people you staked?

2. "A few months ago, I asked a supervisor at FTP who I know personally if there would be a problem in buying into FTP and transferring funds to various people I know to stake them for poker."

You have since admitted that you were staking these people to things other than playing poker at FTP and to pay off debts: "I transferred people money on FTP for various staking activities, which include but are not limited to poker on FTP, poker on other sites, sportsbetting, and debts I am repaying." So, it appears as though your FTP supervisor friend only agreed to your proposal insofar as it related to people using the money to play poker at FTP.

3. "The aforementioned supervisor said it would be fine as long as there was enough play on their accounts and there was no fraud going on (credit card chargebacks, chip dumping, etc). I assured him we would keep it totally clean."

Again, this reiterates my point in #2 above, i.e., you make it clear that your FTP supervisor friend approved your proposal for poker play at FTP and nothing else. You then mislead him with your response.

4. "I can guarantee it has nothing to do with someone who I traded with."

According to FTP's latest e-mail to you, apparently it does: "Due to the large scale nature of this investigation, we must ensure that all accounts and associations are thoroughly investigated. While it may appear that the timeframe is "too long" we can fully assure you that
there are associations that you are unaware of, which has lengthened the timeframe of the investigation."

5. "Yes, the people in the UK are being staked by me and others for sportsbetting and other purposes. If we could open a payment processor and pay the fees ourselves, we would - but Click2Pay is extremely slow in responding to our requests, and they do not allow peer-to-peer transfers from personal accounts."

Again, this contradicts your original proposal to your friend at FTP. And your admission to FTP in this e-mail you sent them is tantamount to saying "I am using FTP as a payment processor to avoid paying a real payment processor the fees it charges." You may not actually be "laundering" money, but your statement sure sounds suspicious.

6. "There's no possibility that something shady went on. The possibility is literally 0 with a 100% confidence value."

Just on its face, this is a totally absurd contention for you to make. As many others have pointed out to you in this thread, you can't be certain of anyonee's actions or honesty other than your own. FTP's latest correspondence with you seems to bear this out. The "shadiness-factor" is most noticeable when you admit the staking for sports-betting. Whether you agree with the Wire Act or not, it is US federal law and it prohibits placing bets on sports over the internet. I do not know for sure how it applies in this case for you (I assume you to be a US citizen) to be staking others (who I assume all were NOT US citizens) to place sports bets from which you might profit and for the monies involved to be transferred through an internet poker site. But surely you can see how this would raise red flags for FTP, and this would be especially incriminating against you if any of those you staked are US citizens.

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I'm willing to bet the Supervisor in question thought Kyleb was going to really be staking players on FTP; rather then staking them to who knows what and where.


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"How much do you want to bet? I'll give you 3:1 odds if you bet $10,000, and I'll give you the contact info for the supervisor."

Given points #2 and 3 above, are you still willing to make this bet? If so, I'll take your action.

I could continue with more examples of contradictory and/or misleading statements you have made in this thread, but they would only be redundant to what I've already posted. The bottom line for me is that even if you did nothing legally wrong or violated FTP TOS, this entire scheme doesn't pass the "smell test" and apparently didn't pass the "smell test" for FTP either. Furthermore, your apparent loyalty and trust in limitninja and others who you were staking is clearly misplaced. As always, FTP has seemingly done a poor job of public relations and communication on this case. However, they appear to have been thoroughly justified in being suspicious and investigating your activities and those of your associates in this matter. I hope you are exonerated and get your money back.

[kyleb]

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Given points #2 and 3 above, are you still willing to make this bet? If so, I'll take your action.

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Yes. Escrow $10,000 with a trusted mod and let's do it.

[cardman]

I doubt Frist would ever change his mind about online poker no matter what the poker sites did. Frist just plain hates gambling. Reminds me of alcohol prohibition of the 1900s. The moral police all over again.