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#2511
11-17-2007, 12:57 AM
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Re: $50NL - Extracting with a Flopped Set
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com
jb ($56.80) Button ($49.75) SB ($61.35) BB ($29) UTG ($50) Preflop: jb is MP with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">jb raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: ($4.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">jb bets $3.5</font>, SB calls $3.50. Turn: ($11.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">jb bets $10</font>, SB calls $10. River: ($31.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">jb bets $41.3 (All-In)</font> Should I make pot sized bets all the way so when I get to the river here my shove is about pot size, or play it this way but make a smaller value bet on river, or this is fine all the way doesn't matter? Villain is loose passive over a small sample. 
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#2512
11-17-2007, 01:09 AM
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Re: $50NL - VB 3 Streets Here?
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Villain is very loose and passive but over a small sample. 67/11/1 over 18 hands. He open-limped several times already from MP and LP and one of those times he showed down A4o for Ace high after calling a c-bet then checking it down. Is this enough of a read to go for 3 streets of value? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com jb ($70.60) UTG ($80.10) MP ($49.75) CO ($40.80) Button ($22.95) SB ($49.25) Preflop: jb is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.75. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, jb checks. Flop: ($1.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">jb bets $1.25</font>, CO calls $1.25. Turn: ($4) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">jb bets $2.25</font>, CO calls $2.25. River: ($8.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">jb bets $5</font>, CO calls $5. Final Pot: $18.50 [/ QUOTE ] with the 7 on the river for sure, you are splitting at worse now with another T. If he played an over pair this way, so be it. Planning to c/c would be bad, he's going to check back anything worse than a T, and only value betting hands that beat you.
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#2513
11-17-2007, 01:10 AM
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Re: $50NL - Extracting with a Flopped Set
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com jb ($56.80) Button ($49.75) SB ($61.35) BB ($29) UTG ($50) Preflop: jb is MP with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">jb raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: ($4.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">jb bets $3.5</font>, SB calls $3.50. Turn: ($11.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">jb bets $10</font>, SB calls $10. River: ($31.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">jb bets $41.3 (All-In)</font> Should I make pot sized bets all the way so when I get to the river here my shove is about pot size, or play it this way but make a smaller value bet on river, or this is fine all the way doesn't matter? Villain is loose passive over a small sample. [/ QUOTE ] This is fine.
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#2514
11-17-2007, 01:20 AM
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Re: $50NL - VB 3 Streets Here?
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with the 7 on the river for sure, you are splitting at worse now with another T. If he played an over pair this way, so be it. Planning to c/c would be bad, he's going to check back anything worse than a T, and only value betting hands that beat you. [/ QUOTE ] What if he puts in a big raise over my river bet? He took a long time to call and I got to thinking, "crap, what if he makes a big raise," and then I wasn't sure what I would do if he had. Of course, I should have thought about that when deciding whether or not to bet in the first place.
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#2515
11-17-2007, 01:24 AM
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$25NL Set...
Would anyone worry about his turn CR?
Anyone fold to turn CR? Is calling the pfr ok? villain is 16/12/4/122hnds. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) SB ($35.45) BB ($34.70) UTG ($11.30) UTG+1 ($31.50) MP1 ($10) MP2 ($47.10) CO ($9.65) Hero ($40.20) Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $0.25. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 folds. Flop: ($3.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, MP2 calls $4. Turn: ($15.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $11</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $39.85</font>, Hero calls $21.95 (All-In). River: ($81) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $81
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#2516
11-17-2007, 01:31 AM
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Re: $25NL Set...
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Would anyone worry about his turn CR? Anyone fold to turn CR? Is calling the pfr ok? villain is 16/12/4/122hnds. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) SB ($35.45) BB ($34.70) UTG ($11.30) UTG+1 ($31.50) MP1 ($10) MP2 ($47.10) CO ($9.65) Hero ($40.20) Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $0.25. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 folds. Flop: ($3.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, MP2 calls $4. Turn: ($15.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $11</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $39.85</font>, Hero calls $21.95 (All-In). River: ($81) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $81 [/ QUOTE ] It all looks good to me. Your preflop call is fine especially since you both have almost double stacks. I guess TT and QQ enter my mind in the milli-second between his turn c/r and my snap call with fist pump.
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#2517
11-17-2007, 01:31 AM
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Re: $50NL - Extracting with a Flopped Set
JB's set of 3's hand:
right or wrong, I would have bet smaller on the river like 25-30. Somewhere Sklansky said it is not about betting an amount they are most likely to call, but betting an amount that has highest expectation so if betting $5 gets called 100% ev = $5, but betting $50 gets called 11% then ev = $5.50 then betting $50 would be best choice... but you probably already know this...
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#2518
11-17-2007, 01:38 AM
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Re: $50NL - VB 3 Streets Here?
JB T6s hand:
I probably just c/c reasonable bets flop-river. I find that I often lose to a bigger kicker no matter what anyway [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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#2519
11-17-2007, 02:01 AM
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Re: $50NL - VB 3 Streets Here?
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JB T6s hand: I probably just c/c reasonable bets flop-river. I find that I often lose to a bigger kicker no matter what anyway [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Well I bet on the flop and turn because his preflop range is so wide that I probably have the best hand. Also, the flop has a lot of draws and the hand is vulnerable and benefits from a fold. If villain calls I still might be ahead plus I have a gutshot str8 draw. Since villain seems so passive he's unlikely to bluff-raise me out of the hand or even raise me out of the hand with something that's currently ahead of me like KT, AT, etc. I feel the same way on the turn for the most part. I could also win by bluffing if a scare card comes on the river (maybe a J or any diamond) and maybe move him off a hand like KT or AT, although I'm not sure I would try it against this guy.
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#2520
11-17-2007, 03:31 AM
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Re: $50NL - VB 3 Streets Here?
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[ QUOTE ] with the 7 on the river for sure, you are splitting at worse now with another T. If he played an over pair this way, so be it. Planning to c/c would be bad, he's going to check back anything worse than a T, and only value betting hands that beat you. [/ QUOTE ] What if he puts in a big raise over my river bet? He took a long time to call and I got to thinking, "crap, what if he makes a big raise," and then I wasn't sure what I would do if he had. Of course, I should have thought about that when deciding whether or not to bet in the first place. [/ QUOTE ] A raise would be so weird that I might look it up. I'd probably just think zomg, got A9 to bluff! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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