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Old 10-15-2007, 10:05 AM
Chump Change Chump Change is offline
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u should be raising on the flop or turn... sometimes... instead of waiting to lose on the river. imo.

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plus, the board isn't four-flushing all that much
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:06 AM
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Oh, and for those wondering, yeah live poker and any poker is rigged against me.

Atlantic City, live at the Borgata Hotel, Casino, and Spa.

I raise AhKd to $10 after a limper in UTG+1...Asian guy calls on button, SB calls, limper calls

flop: Ad Kh 2h

I fire out $45, asian guy calls

turn: 9c

Me: "I'm all in"
Asian Guy: "call!"-as he says this before I finish the word "in"

River: 5d

Me: "yeah...."

him: "Yes! Yes! Yes!" as he flips up pocket twos.

Me" "thats about normal"--as I go to get more money off my friend I see asian guy stacking his chips and going to the cage.

Real cute.

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Your definition of rigged is miles different to everyone elses.

This hand the ducks were ahead on every single street - just because AK is a really good hand its not invincible. You got coolered, you shouldnt even sweat it whatsoever.

If the asian dude flips 3h4h which is what i expected to see given the presentation of the story - THEN poker is rigged.

Also, im not touching the rest of it. You are clearly a retard. You say you are running bad, 'we' say you play bad. You say you are running bad, 'we' prove that whilst running slightly bad you have lost over half a million in hands that didnt make showdown. You STILL say you are running bad, 'we' wonder why you still bother with this site.

Its clear you arent here to improve your game, and you dont even want to play poker as proven by the fact you plan to quit when you get enough FPPs for a porsche (that you are too poor to ever own and would have to sell imediately).

So, i ask again, why do you still come to 2+2 and why do you not improve your game - even if it means investing in coaching from one of the "less than 10 people" you respect on this site.
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:10 AM
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Atlantic City, live at the Borgata Hotel, Casino, and Spa.

I raise AhKd to $10 after a limper in UTG+1...Asian guy calls on button, SB calls, limper calls

flop: Ad Kh 2h

I fire out $45, asian guy calls

turn: 9c

Me: "I'm all in"
Asian Guy: "call!"-as he says this before I finish the word "in"

River: 5d

Me: "yeah...."

him: "Yes! Yes! Yes!" as he flips up pocket twos.

Me" "thats about normal"--as I go to get more money off my friend I see asian guy stacking his chips and going to the cage.

Real cute.

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lol

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That was standard for the table...most people were raising to $6 after a limper.

And if you think a guy is folding for $15 with pocket twos you are delusional.
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:11 AM
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Nobody understands what I'm folding.

Does 99 look good on a Ad Kd 9h flop?

Uh yeah.

How does it look on a Ad Kd 9h Jd turn?

Not bad, but I'm not in love with it.

How does it look on a Ad Kh 9h Jd 7d board against a guy leading for 2/3rds pot?

Looks like a fold.

Welcome to my world.

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Hey, I'm just saying that in the last year CONSISTENTLY I get flat out great flops, bad turns, and miserable rivers where by the river I cannot think of a hand that I can beat.

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First - how did you have chips left back so the river even has meaningful value.

Second - a 2/3 pot bet is pretty much an intant call in a vacuum.

Third - what the hell do you think you are beaten by? What calls a pot size bet on the flop which is now ahead? QhTh and perhaps Kd9d. Youre absolutely miles ahead most of the time here - sure a lot of hands *could* beat you, but they wont have most of them.
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:12 AM
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Atlantic City, live at the Borgata Hotel, Casino, and Spa.

I raise AhKd to $10 after a limper in UTG+1...Asian guy calls on button, SB calls, limper calls

flop: Ad Kh 2h

I fire out $45, asian guy calls

turn: 9c

Me: "I'm all in"
Asian Guy: "call!"-as he says this before I finish the word "in"

River: 5d

Me: "yeah...."

him: "Yes! Yes! Yes!" as he flips up pocket twos.

Me" "thats about normal"--as I go to get more money off my friend I see asian guy stacking his chips and going to the cage.

Real cute.

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lol

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That was standard for the table...most people were raising to $6 after a limper.

And if you think a guy is folding for $15 with pocket twos you are delusional.

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Jesus fhtgritrhiooriefgrf christ.

IF THEY DONT FOLD 22 FOR $15 - BET FIFTEEN [censored] DOLLARS THEN AND CHARGE THEM THE ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM TO DRAW.
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: FGators: The Final Chapter [1.4m hands EV graph]

I misread that as there were 5 diamonds on the board.. are u really folding a set there? LOL
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:15 AM
FGators FGators is offline
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If you say I suck then I am so for an extension from the norm that its hysterical. People always say people suck if they cannot fold a hand, that they make inappropriate calls, their bet sizing is awful (giving cheap draws)..if the best people can say is that they I blow because I don't get to showdown enough (and they don't know what's going on its seriously lol).

and I can guarantee that

A) if I get to showdown and start showing down TPTK against a set people will say I'm a showdown monkey that sucks

OR

B) if I showdown TPTK against a bluff people will start saying I'm a station that should have folded.

I remember posting a hand a few weeks ago where I call a guy down with Ace high, posted it in BBV saying what a call and everyone is like "lol you suck fold the river"-

I put people on ranges and when I cannot beat a single hand out of that range I fold...I don't call when I can beat ONE hand,I obviously take into effect pot odds, game flow, my image/his image, etc. among other things and then make a decison on whether to call, raise, or fold..everybody thinks I get to the river, see a bet, get nervous because I don't have the nuts and fold...its so laughable.

The people that have the hands know what I'm folding, NOBODY else does.
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:17 AM
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Nobody understands what I'm folding.

Does 99 look good on a Ad Kd 9h flop?

Uh yeah.

How does it look on a Ad Kd 9h Jd turn?

Not bad, but I'm not in love with it.

How does it look on a Ad Kh 9h Jd 7d board against a guy leading for 2/3rds pot?

Looks like a fold.

Welcome to my world.

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Hey, I'm just saying that in the last year CONSISTENTLY I get flat out great flops, bad turns, and miserable rivers where by the river I cannot think of a hand that I can beat.

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First - how did you have chips left back so the river even has meaningful value.

Second - a 2/3 pot bet is pretty much an intant call in a vacuum.

Third - what the hell do you think you are beaten by? What calls a pot size bet on the flop which is now ahead? QhTh and perhaps Kd9d. Youre absolutely miles ahead most of the time here - sure a lot of hands *could* beat you, but they wont have most of them.

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So a pretty tight guy (loose passive) is randomly leading OOP into a four diamond one card straight board (or two card straight) with just a pair at $1/2 after I bet the flop and the turn?

Hey, if he's bluffing me like that after I showed aggression preflop, flop, and turn then hey yeah I suck but something tells me I just don't believe it.
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:18 AM
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Default Re: FGators: The Final Chapter [1.4m hands EV graph]

so you call with ace high.. and fold sets.. I'm seeing why u might be down a bit
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:25 AM
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so you call with ace high.. and fold sets.. I'm seeing why u might be down a bit

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Good that its way more intricate and complicated than that but you try to make it look simple in order for me to look like a moron.
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