I cannot win on pokerstars. Reasons ??

[luckychancer]

perhaps it might not get the OP the answer he wanted but an interesting thread nonetheless.

[realjaydub]

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BWHAHAHAHAH, No, they're all legit.....yep, ur an idiot.

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wtf? you totally change what I said (and quite obviously and deliberately too) and then claim I am an idiot for something that you said? are you stoned?


even if you apply what I said to BJ and online casinos (and I'm thinking of PartyGaming here, 'cause i have faith in their brand) then the same thing applies. I said, and to adjust it to PartyGaming's roulette game:

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The muppets are claiming that PartyGaming is conducting a massive fraud against players through roulette. They are providing no evidence to support this quite offensive allegation against the character of thousands of people, or this serious criminal activity allegedly occurring in the UK.

Thus, in the absence of such evidence, I'm confident that roulette at PartyGaming is not rigged.


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Why would anyone believe that their roulette games are rigged without any evidence that they are rigged? I don't understand.


On a more serious note, you are making very serious criminal allegations against a large number of people. Fraud is a very serious crime, and it is not lessened by it being done online.

If you believe that there is fraud occurring here, it is your civic duty to immediately contact UK Police and report this.

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I was quoting you, I didnt change anything..

Oh and STFU idiot.

[Josem]

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I was quoting you, I didnt change anything..

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Yes, you did. I was referring to reputable leading online poker sites.

You changed my references to some shonky blackjack operator. You said "Replace poker with Black Jack and you look like an idiot."

That's clearly absurd, as:

a) I wasn't referring to blackjack operators

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b) Even if I was, I'd have exactly the same response if you provided no evidence of this either.




You obviously believe that PokerStars, amongst others, are perpetrating a fraud. This is a serious criminal allegation. It is therefore incumbent upon you to report your concerns to the relevant authorities. Why have you not done this?

Why are you soft on fraud? Why are you not taking the proper steps to ensure that this does not go unpunished? Do you condone their activities? If you think they are committing a fraud, why have you not reported this to the police?

[realjaydub]

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I was quoting you, I didnt change anything..

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Yes, you did. I was referring to reputable leading online poker sites.

You changed my references to some shonky blackjack operator. You said "Replace poker with Black Jack and you look like an idiot."

That's clearly absurd, as:

a) I wasn't referring to blackjack operators

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b) Even if I was, I'd have exactly the same response if you provided no evidence of this either.




You obviously believe that PokerStars, amongst others, are perpetrating a fraud. This is a serious criminal allegation. It is therefore incumbent upon you to report your concerns to the relevant authorities. Why have you not done this?

Why are you soft on fraud? Why are you not taking the proper steps to ensure that this does not go unpunished? Do you condone their activities? If you think they are committing a fraud, why have you not reported this to the police?

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First off, I am not making any claims of Fruad, I just refuse to go along with the herd and say that there isn't Fruad when I do not have evidence to support there isn't.

[5thStreetHog]

"I just refuse to go along with the herd"

Oh really????

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Josem,

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That's certainly possible - in which case, someone would be able to provide evidence of this. If you provide evidence of something being rigged, obviously I, and any other sane human being, would consider the evidence.

It would, however, surprise me to learn that PartyGaming running a criminal racket.

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Homer is most likely to remember of anyone I have seen posting in this thread

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I can't imagine that the UK has a publicly listed company that has been and still is conducting a large scale and deliberate fraud.


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IF I am remembering correctly, it was a long time ago, certainly before listing on the markets and certainly before the large-scale promotion alongside their main brands.

I think it was in the time they were known as Iglobalmedia or similar.

Pretty sure they took the casinos offline, "fixed" them, and years later returned to the market.

Another that just occured to me was at some point, one of the blackjack sites was discovered to be rigged wrong... maybe paradise? I think it's RNG was predictable, many BJ whores of the time made profits from the predictable RNG, "rigged in their favor"....

Again, vague memories from years gone by... no idea why I remember these things or even if there was any truth to them [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

dave.

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I have a question for you guys:

What if pokerstars was only rigging 1-4% of the tables or hands? Wouldn't that make it impossible to detect/prove due to 'standard deviation' no matter how many hand histories were available?

[realjaydub]

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I have a question for you guys:

What if pokerstars was only rigging 1-4% of the tables or hands? Wouldn't that make it impossible to detect/prove due to 'standard deviation' no matter how many hand histories were available?

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Interesting....

[Josem]

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What if pokerstars was only rigging 1-4% of the tables or hands? Wouldn't that make it impossible to detect/prove due to 'standard deviation' no matter how many hand histories were available?


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It would seem extrordinarily far fetched to suggest that pokerstars is not only rigging the flops, but they're also rigging their own rigging.

i imagine that if there were any evidence to detect/prove rigging, it would be in the form of an insider blowing the whistle, rather than a statistical analysis.


the point is that pokerstars claim they are not rigging any RNG. other people say that pokerstars are liars. the onus is on the complainants to prove that pokerstars is lying. no one has ever provided any evidence that this is the case.


also, these amorphous allegations of "rigged" deals never actually explain exactly how the deals are rigged. no one has provided any algorithm to explain the distribution of cards - except that it is random.


to look at it using the grade 4 science class process:
1) we have a hypothesis that these hands on pokerstars are dealt randomly.
2) we test this hypothesis.
3) we have a result (the hands dealt) that matches this hypothesis.
4) therefore, until #3 is proved false, i am content to believe #1


those claiming it is rigged should follow the same process:
1) they can have a hypothesis that hands on a poker site are NOT dealt randomly.
2) they should test this hypothesis.
3) they will then have a result.


Incidentally, i have a 3 million hand database (including full hand histories) for hands dealt at PartyPoker. I'm happy to donate that database for use to test any proposed algorithm for those claiming PP rig their site.*

*obviously, i would expect that database to remain otherwise confidential, as it obviously includes every hand i've played, as well as others, and that information being public would obviously be a significant cost to me.

[Josem]

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Interesting....

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No, that is not interesting. It is another baseless conjecture about pokersites rigging hands, with absolutely no evidence or reasoning to support it.