Absolute Poker's Official Response to "superuser" allegations

[KEW]

For those that do not follow the BBV thread(you really should BTW)..

Absolute Poker Management wishes to inform the poker community of the following information in response to the most recent claims posted over the past 48 hours on the 2+2 and Pocket Fives forums wherein again it is alleged that some person or persons breached Absolute Poker’s redundant and varying levels of game client security. As was stated in Absolute Poker’s Official Response released on Friday October 12, 2007, Absolute Poker conducted an extensive investigation in response to the claims it was made aware of and received. The results of that investigation indicated that to the best of Absolute Poker’s knowledge, information and belief there was no security breach. Specifically, Absolute Poker’s internal investigation determined that it is impossible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards.

Based on the most recent claims that Absolute Poker has been made aware of and at the request of some of our players and business partners, Absolute Poker has agreed to retain a widely acclaimed independent third party auditor, Gaming Associates, to conduct an independent audit of Absolute Poker’s security systems. Specifically, Absolute Poker has requested that Gaming Associates conduct a thorough and extensive review of Absolute Poker’s practices and security systems to determine whether it is possible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards thereby gaining an unfair advantage. (http://www.gamingassociates.com)

Absolute Poker has agreed to fully cooperate with Gaming Associates and its investigative team and to provide the above with unfettered access to all systems, protocols and databases at Absolute Poker worldwide. Absolute Poker has also agreed to allow Gaming Associate’s final report to be made available to Pocket Fives and Bluff Media for their review.

With respect to the claims that Scott Tom, a former Member of Team Absolute Poker, is in anyway involved in wrong-doing, Absolute Poker has requested a formal investigation into that matter as well. Mr. Tom has not been involved with Absolute Poker for over a year and to the best of our knowledge, information and belief has not had access to any of Absolute Poker’s systems, databases or information.

Absolute Poker reserves the right to pursue any and all remedies whether in law or equitable which may procure to it as a result of any unlawful and injurious actions taken by any individuals who may have falsified any information, documents, files, or have by other means attempted to disparage and/or harm Absolute Poker, its Players, its current or former management, employees, business partners or affiliates.

Absolute Poker shall bear all expenses related to such investigation and is eager to learn about Gaming Associate’s findings. Absolute Poker highly values and intends to protect its players, shareholders, business partners, and affiliates.

Absolute Poker Management

[ubercuber]

I tend to buy into BS hook line and sinker, but this seems like a reasonable response.

I didn't cash everything out... left some chump change on ...I currently have no way to get money back on! Main roll now at Stars.

I hope like hell that AP pulls off an integrity laden, clusterbomb, and salvages their reputation. (Going back to the already hard enough bonus structure that existed pre sleeze days would be a nice gesture!)

As long as ABS is reading these, I am going to hijack for 1 sec, sorry:

NON WITHDRAWAL BONUS. Why should I jump through hoops to get $600 onto a site for a bonus, when I already have $600+ on the site? Dumb. I AM FROM THE US! SEE THE NEWS LATELY? MOVING MONEY IS A PAIN NOW! WHATEVER WAS THE POINT OF ME WITHDRAWING, WAITING 3 THREE DAYS AND DEPOSITING? JUST PUT THE BONUS IN THE ACCOUNT BASED ON PRESENT BALANCE FOR THE PROMO START DATE, MOST U.S. PLAYERS WOULD JUST LEAVE MONEY THERE. WOOT! (That is assuming you get your logic caps adjusted and start firing rounds at the gamblers worst enemy. Luck is a bitch sometimes, but cheaters never make it up to you. F[cencorced]S!!! Fire! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Shoot! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Kill! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Gut! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Bleed! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Display!)


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[jeffnc]

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Of course they do.....After the UIGEA, this could be the death-blow to the mainstream poker movement as we know it. Even after the UIGEA, look at the percentages of magazine ads by internet sites. With only a handful remaining that accept US Players, these mags would simply go out of business without them.

I've noticed quite a few live-game cheating articles lately.......everything from how to mark cards to player collusion at the tables. I've yet to see even a hint of online problems. If anything, they seem to be protecting the online game while villifying the live game. I'm not sure if this is intentional or not....but interesting to say the least.

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That makes no sense at all considering the number of ads for live casinos.

[1p0kerboy]

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Thanks Mason. Definitely glad to see you speak up.

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[rbnn]

Could you please fix the "loose" misuse?

[HatesLosing]

I think it's obvious that SOMEONE on the inside has access to hole cards, otherwise the security people at AP couldn't do their job properly. What is being suggested is that someone who was, or is, on the inside was somehow relaying hole cards to the user "POTRIPPER", and NOT that "POTRIPPER" saw the hole cards directly through the client that everyone else downloads.

It's fairly obvious that "POTRIPPER" knew his opponent's hole cards to anyone who has a clue about Hold Em strategy.

[AudioPhile84]

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/20...lown-wide-open/

There's a NY Times article about this. AP's latest statement seems to be a threat that they will sue people who accuse them of cheating. Oh well, I'm glad I don't play on there.

"Absolute Poker reserves the right to pursue any and all remedies whether in law or equitable which may procure to it as a result of any unlawful and injurious actions taken by any individuals who may have falsified any information, documents, files, or have by other means attempted to disparage and/or harm Absolute Poker, its Players, its current or former management, employees, business partners or affiliates."

[Pokeraddict]

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http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/20...lown-wide-open/

There's a NY Times article about this. AP's latest statement seems to be a threat that they will sue people who accuse them of cheating. Oh well, I'm glad I don't play on there.

"Absolute Poker reserves the right to pursue any and all remedies whether in law or equitable which may procure to it as a result of any unlawful and injurious actions taken by any individuals who may have falsified any information, documents, files, or have by other means attempted to disparage and/or harm Absolute Poker, its Players, its current or former management, employees, business partners or affiliates."

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Yeah I'd like to see AP sue people in the U.S. That will go over well. They are entirely in the wrong anyway and I would think as far as the U.S. court system feels they are a fraud for simply accepting U.S. players. IMO that is just a baseless threat.

BTW if any of this was falsified why have they not come out to prove it wrong?

[KEW]

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http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/20...lown-wide-open/

There's a NY Times article about this. AP's latest statement seems to be a threat that they will sue people who accuse them of cheating. Oh well, I'm glad I don't play on there.

"Absolute Poker reserves the right to pursue any and all remedies whether in law or equitable which may procure to it as a result of any unlawful and injurious actions taken by any individuals who may have falsified any information, documents, files, or have by other means attempted to disparage and/or harm Absolute Poker, its Players, its current or former management, employees, business partners or affiliates."

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Yeah I'd like to see AP sue people in the U.S. That will go over well. They are entirely in the wrong anyway and I would think as far as the U.S. court system feels they are a fraud for simply accepting U.S. players. IMO that is just a baseless threat.

BTW if any of this was falsified why have they not come out to prove it wrong?

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This could turn out to be an interesting twist...I am no Lawyer and have very limited legal knowledge..But could the APS "super user" scandal lead to legal online poker in the USA..

The US court system has NEVER ruled that online poker is against the Law..In fact the courts have ruled a number of times the the 61 Wire Act only applies to Sports Betting(re The Master card case for example) and APS has no connection to sports betting..If APS did bring suit in the US it would "force" a US Court to rule on the "Legality" of poker ONLY in order to establish "standing"(hope that's the correct use of the legal term)...Even if APS case was completely baseless(which I believe without a doubt it would be) the courts would first have to rule on the "legality" of poker..

I am 100% against APS and how they have handled this situation...

[jgunnip]

There is new information today that not only is user #363 likely a former AP employee but that the POTRIPPER account is also likely a former AP employee and close associate of the #363 account