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#2482
11-15-2007, 10:32 AM
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Re: $25NL TPGK
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Villain was new to table so no reads other than 71 vpip over 7 hands... my line ok? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) UTG+1 ($22.75) MP1 ($16.20) MP2 ($96.35) Hero ($34.45) CO ($25) Button ($25.10) SB ($23.30) BB ($14.50) UTG ($29.45) Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.25. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $1.25. Flop: ($3.60) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $8</font>, Hero calls $6. Turn: ($19.60) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $13.25 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $13.25. River: ($0) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $46.10 [/ QUOTE ] I might fold to the flop raise. It's hard to image what you beat. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Are the reasons this is a fold due to the very coordinated flop w/ cards that people are very likely to have played? What does the raise mean to you guys? I think when I am raised I am behind more often than not, but I get raised often by worse aces and air b/c people often think I am cbeting, which I often do. Is it the combination of the flop which very likely helped villain and his raise that makes it a fold? What if flop was AT7 w/ 2 of same suit, something less scary, but still drawy... do I fold to that raise? I often think if I just folded everytime I was riased I might win more, evn though sometimes I would be folding the best hand... I dunno... 
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#2483
11-15-2007, 10:36 AM
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Re: $25NL 2 pr
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Karp I think you played that fine all streets. [/ QUOTE ] It's just that the only hand that plays like this is 22 [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] HILFE!!!
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#2484
11-15-2007, 10:45 AM
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Re: $25NL 2 pr
Based on your read though I can't see him suddenly deciding to go nuts with a tricky bluff on that board and it's hard for him to have a worse holding that he thinks might be better than whatever he's reading you for.
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#2485
11-15-2007, 10:46 AM
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Re: $25NL TPGK
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[ QUOTE ] Villain was new to table so no reads other than 71 vpip over 7 hands... my line ok? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) UTG+1 ($22.75) MP1 ($16.20) MP2 ($96.35) Hero ($34.45) CO ($25) Button ($25.10) SB ($23.30) BB ($14.50) UTG ($29.45) Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.25. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $1.25. Flop: ($3.60) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $8</font>, Hero calls $6. Turn: ($19.60) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $13.25 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $13.25. River: ($0) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: $46.10 [/ QUOTE ] you are overvaluing the strength of your hand from pf to strength on the flop where it drops like a rock. List on a piece of paper or in your head the viable hands besides a bluff that you beat, then add in the bluffs and see how often you make money here (on the flop) if you go ahead with the hand. also, he is telling you things about his hand with his actions, thats another one of those things that pass through my pea brain while in a hand. a little zen, lol. [/ QUOTE ] Possible hands he would call me with... AK, AQ, AJ, AT, QQ-, KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, QT, JT -I push vs AQ -win vs KJ, KT, QJ, QT, maybe bluffs with pocket pairs less than TT (but villain is unlikely to raise with these hands) I lose vs AK, AJ, AT, JT, JJ, TT, 77 (on turn) Considering all the hands he could have that he would raise me with, I am beaten. I guess this is the thought process that I need to go through for every hand that I am involved in... right? I don't do this [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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#2486
11-15-2007, 10:57 AM
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Re: $25NL TPGK
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What if flop was AT7 w/ 2 of same suit, something less scary, but still drawy... do I fold to that raise? [/ QUOTE ] I generally wouldn't fold because now you have smaller aces and draws that you're ahead of and you're solidly +EV against the range of a typical unknown villain at these stakes.
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#2487
11-15-2007, 11:07 AM
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Re: $25NL TPGK
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I often think if I just folded everytime I was riased I might win more, evn though sometimes I would be folding the best hand... I dunno... [/ QUOTE ] Sometimes it's ok to fold a hand even if you suspect it might be best, especially if you have a fairly TAG image but you're not a rock. The time to fold marginal hands that might be best are early in the hand when you're OOP against a very aggressive player (or multiple opponents) and it's going to be difficult to figure out where you're at on later streets and/or difficult to get to a cheap showdown.
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#2488
11-15-2007, 04:01 PM
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Re: $25NL TPGK
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but I get raised often by worse aces and air b/c people often think I am cbeting, which I often do. [/ QUOTE ] this does not happen often as you say. It happens rarely, especially from 71 vpips. Most of them are passive. The worrisome thing is, so many people post preflop stats and ask postflop questions. This baffles me. Sure, the preflop stat helps us to realize he has a huge range, but tells us nothing about how to respond if he raises.
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#2489
11-15-2007, 04:40 PM
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Re: $25NL TPGK
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The worrisome thing is, so many people post preflop stats and ask postflop questions. This baffles me. Sure, the preflop stat helps us to realize he has a huge range, but tells us nothing about how to respond if he raises. [/ QUOTE ] You are of course correct and I need to improve this myself. Edit to delete a bunch of whiney excuses.
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#2490
11-15-2007, 04:52 PM
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Re: $25NL TPGK
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[ QUOTE ] but I get raised often by worse aces and air b/c people often think I am cbeting, which I often do. [/ QUOTE ] this does not happen often as you say. It happens rarely, especially from 71 vpips. Most of them are passive. The worrisome thing is, so many people post preflop stats and ask postflop questions. This baffles me. Sure, the preflop stat helps us to realize he has a huge range, but tells us nothing about how to respond if he raises. [/ QUOTE ] You always make good points Devin. This is why I post these hands to learn from all of you smarter players. What post flop stats would you recommend that we make an extra effort to pay attention too and include in our posts?
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