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check/call 1 8.33%
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Old 11-13-2007, 12:22 AM
DevinLake DevinLake is offline
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($97)
MP ($255.80)
CO ($202.70)
Button ($115.15)
SB ($403.15)
Hero ($319.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, MP calls $10.

Flop: ($28.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $21</font>, MP calls $21.

Turn: ($70.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $50</font>, Hero ?

vill is 14/10. he's a regular, basically a nit have no real history with. i think i played it optimally, i'll give results later.

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if you are going to fold, b/f. He could easily have JJ, 99, etc.
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:31 AM
GtrHtr GtrHtr is offline
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($97)
MP ($255.80)
CO ($202.70)
Button ($115.15)
SB ($403.15)
Hero ($319.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, MP calls $10.

Flop: ($28.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $21</font>, MP calls $21.

Turn: ($70.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $50</font>, Hero ?

vill is 14/10. he's a regular, basically a nit have no real history with. i think i played it optimally, i'll give results later.

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who is villain?
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

i wouldnt 3-bet preflop 250bbs deep vs a 14/10
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

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who is villain?

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waylander
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Old 11-13-2007, 11:45 AM
GtrHtr GtrHtr is offline
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

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who is villain?

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waylander

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oh. I have 1k hands with him. he won't call the flop then move on the turn with nothing. I'd say his range is really narrow. TT-AA. He maybe called pf with ATs this deep hoping to hit 2 flush cards. I've seen him bluff fold maybe twice. He's very abc. I bluff him alot early in a hand fwiw, then shut down most times.
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:20 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

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vill is 14/10. he's a regular, basically a nit have no real history with. i think i played it optimally, i'll give results later.

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Sounds like you can c/c turn and c/f river against this guy.

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Why fold river at that point, unless it is a huge bet, like AI? There would be already approx $170 in the pot?
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:34 PM
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a lot of times the river will go c/c after a rr on the turn esp if villain is a donk. You can still get to showdown a lot but need to fold to pressure on the river and have that plan in your head. Calling the turn doesn't mean felting the river.
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Old 11-13-2007, 03:06 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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a lot of times the river will go c/c after a rr on the turn esp if villain is a donk. You can still get to showdown a lot but need to fold to pressure on the river and have that plan in your head. Calling the turn doesn't mean felting the river.

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I have trouble folding a made hand, and I have a lot of trouble folding when the pot is huge and has a lot of my chips in it.

Where do you draw the line between folding and losing a lot of your stack, but preserving enough and being committed when there is a huge pot, which you've contributed significantly to?
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Old 11-13-2007, 04:32 PM
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a lot of times the river will go c/c after a rr on the turn esp if villain is a donk. You can still get to showdown a lot but need to fold to pressure on the river and have that plan in your head. Calling the turn doesn't mean felting the river.

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I have trouble folding a made hand, and I have a lot of trouble folding when the pot is huge and has a lot of my chips in it.

Where do you draw the line between folding and losing a lot of your stack, but preserving enough and being committed when there is a huge pot, which you've contributed significantly to?

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Your equity vs his range is pretty well defined on the turn but will be more so on the river if he shoves or w/e. You can say on the turn b/f to a shove, but in this case villain rr'ed &lt; pot so I'd call then pray for a cheap showdown on the river. You gotta just tell yourself "bet $xx and fold to a shove" you're almost never ahead in situations like this to make it worth it.
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:44 PM
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

BTN is 30/12 and calls a flop 50%, sb is 50/0 and calls a flop bet 75%

What's does Hero do on the turn?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 ($16.80)
Hero ($24.30)
Button ($29)
SB ($12.55)
BB ($20.75)
UTG ($4.65)
UTG+1 ($60.20)
MP1 ($5.80)
MP2 ($4.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, Button calls $1.25, SB calls $1.15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $1.

Flop: ($5.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, Button calls $4, SB calls $4, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($17.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero ???
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