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check/call 1 8.33%
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:20 AM
DevinLake DevinLake is offline
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

couple questions...what position is the limper? Does HJ raiser limpers frequently?
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:27 AM
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

Its honestly my 4th hand at this table. The limper is from MP.

I can't say if HJ is raising limpers frequently, but I am assuming he isn't doing this simply bc there were 1-2 limpers and his relative position at the table
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:33 AM
DevinLake DevinLake is offline
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

Well, it's a tough spot.

Preflop: I actually think 3-betting would be pretty questionable.

Flop: I peel.

turn: I peel.

River: if he continues, I fold. Most live players are very reluctant to bet three streets here with worse than AQ.

I played a hand at 5/10 live a couple weeks ago. Basically, I 3-barrel shoved AQ on an Axxxx board against a complete calling station. Everyone live tries to put you on a hand afterwards. No one guess I had AQ. they all guessed at least 2pr. Moral of the story, live players don't believe you'll fire 3 barrels with just TP. Therefore, live players will rarely 3-barrel with hands you beat here.
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:40 AM
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

Diamond, I agree with Devin, but he's been drinking for like 4 hours or something.
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:43 AM
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Well, it's a tough spot.

Preflop: I actually think 3-betting would be pretty questionable.

Flop: I peel.

turn: I peel.

River: if he continues, I fold. Most live players are very reluctant to bet three streets here with worse than AQ.

I played a hand at 5/10 live a couple weeks ago. Basically, I 3-barrel shoved AQ on an Axxxx board against a complete calling station. Everyone live tries to put you on a hand afterwards. No one guess I had AQ. they all guessed at least 2pr. Moral of the story, live players don't believe you'll fire 3 barrels with just TP. Therefore, live players will rarely 3-barrel with hands you beat here.

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They all put you on 2-pair or better, but they'll call with all kinds of junk. I'll pot every street with TP?K against most opponents and it's almost always good when they just call down.
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:44 AM
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

Villain is an ubernit 12/5/1.24 over 330 hands.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($50)
SB ($60.75)
BB ($60.30)
jb ($71.05)
MP ($75.15)

Preflop: jb is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">jb raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($6.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">jb bets $6</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $12</font>
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:45 AM
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

Yeah I probably should have called the turn. Turns out hes pretty aggressive, bc I open folded AQ and he showed me AJ lol.

Against an unknown I give them more credit than I probably should(AK or two pair, a set, some combo-flush draw). I didn't really put him on AK bc he only raised to $12, where they usually make it like 16-20 w/AK. It felt so weak to fold it on the turn but I guess its pretty close here. I didn't feel like he was slowing down on the river if I called so....
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:48 AM
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Diamond, I agree with Devin, but he's been drinking for like 4 hours or something.

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lol!

Slim: Agreed. I think thats something I need to learn to do better. Maximize my value with TPGK against bad opponents. They really do call down with such worse hands often enough, when it gets to showdown I realize I missed out on so much value.

It really depends on the table and how passive/aggressive your opponents are postflop
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Old 11-11-2007, 01:58 AM
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Default Re: AJ - 450 bbs deep

you have to call and re-evaluate. But, I would be super duper happy about it.
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Old 11-11-2007, 02:01 AM
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Yeah I probably should have called the turn. Turns out hes pretty aggressive, bc I open folded AQ and he showed me AJ lol.

Against an unknown I give them more credit than I probably should(AK or two pair, a set, some combo-flush draw). I didn't really put him on AK bc he only raised to $12, where they usually make it like 16-20 w/AK. It felt so weak to fold it on the turn but I guess its pretty close here. I didn't feel like he was slowing down on the river if I called so....

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Plz don't ever show you are making a big lay down. When you show, you need to have a reason. The only reason to show would be to invite bluffs. But, inviting people to bluff is inviting yourself to have to make difficult decisions. Don't put yourself in this situation.
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