I cannot win on pokerstars. Reasons ??

[realjaydub]

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Replace poker with Black Jack or Online Casinos and you look like an idiot

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Well, obviously that's a significant change to make, but even so, why would I look like an idiot?

Is there proof that major BJ/gaming sites are rigged? Does Party rig BJ and/or Roulette etc.?

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BWHAHAHAHAH, No, they're all legit.....yep, ur an idiot.

[Josem]

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Well, obviously that's a significant change to make

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to expand on this point, it is like having a discussion about the Olympics High Jump, someone saying that they believe the Olympics High Jump has very low drug use, and then someone else coming along and saying "but what about AFL Football?" Whether players in the AFL use drugs or not is irrelevant to a discussion about olympics high jump - the drug testing regimes are entirely different.

[Bobo Fett]

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BWHAHAHAHAH, No, they're all legit.....yep, ur an idiot.

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I'd love to see some evidence of all of this BJ rigging.

You do understand that there is a difference between a game being rigged and it being -EV, right? There's no question that Blackjack is -EV.

[realjaydub]

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BWHAHAHAHAH, No, they're all legit.....yep, ur an idiot.

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I'd love to see some evidence of all of this BJ rigging.

You do understand that there is a difference between a game being rigged and it being -EV, right? There's no question that Blackjack is -EV.

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Yes I understand this.....

[Homer]

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For the many thousands of people who believe that online BLACK JACK is rigged, don't you think that one, just ONE [censored] PERSON, might have some proof?

Don't you think it is odd THAT NOT A SINGLE [censored] PERSON OUT OF ALL THE THOUSANDS WHO CLAIM ONLINE BLACK JACK IS RIGGED HAVE PROVIDED A SINGLE [censored] SHRED OF EVIDENCE?

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No one is claiming with 100 percent certainty that everything is above board.

We are content with the current situation because there is no reason to doubt the pokersites. There is no evidence that they are rigged.

The muppets are claiming that PokerStars (and other sites) are conducting a massive fraud against players. They are providing no evidence to support this quite offensive allegation against the character of thousands of people.

Thus, in the absence of such evidence, I'm confident that online BLACK JACK at major sites is not rigged.

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Replace poker with Black Jack or Online Casinos and you look like an idiot.

Really, what's the difference?

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Online blackjack was proven to be rigged at a number of sites. A poker room has never been proven to be rigged.

[Josem]

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BWHAHAHAHAH, No, they're all legit.....yep, ur an idiot.

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wtf? you totally change what I said (and quite obviously and deliberately too) and then claim I am an idiot for something that you said? are you stoned?


even if you apply what I said to BJ and online casinos (and I'm thinking of PartyGaming here, 'cause i have faith in their brand) then the same thing applies. I said, and to adjust it to PartyGaming's roulette game:

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The muppets are claiming that PartyGaming is conducting a massive fraud against players through roulette. They are providing no evidence to support this quite offensive allegation against the character of thousands of people, or this serious criminal activity allegedly occurring in the UK.

Thus, in the absence of such evidence, I'm confident that roulette at PartyGaming is not rigged.


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Why would anyone believe that their roulette games are rigged without any evidence that they are rigged? I don't understand.


On a more serious note, you are making very serious criminal allegations against a large number of people. Fraud is a very serious crime, and it is not lessened by it being done online.

If you believe that there is fraud occurring here, it is your civic duty to immediately contact UK Police and report this.

[Bobo Fett]

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Yes I understand this.....

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Good to hear. Anyway, I think Homer hit the nail on the head with that last post.

Very few posters on this forum would think it impossible for any poker site to be rigged. However, most of us would like to see some kind of reasonable evidence to prove such rigging. The fact that there has been some shady online casinos does NOT equal "Stars is rigged".

[RevAgain]

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Are you saying that:

1. Your gut feeling is illogical and has no possible way of telling if the shuffle is random

2. Your gut feeling is more accurate than a statistical analysis of 250k hands

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I'm saying I don't know and you probably don't either.

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I just explained why I do know. I do not doubt that there are limits to what we can tell about a site's shuffle from 250k hands. We can probably say "you are dealt xyz hand within +/- 5% of expectation". I can say, with 100% certainty, that your gut is not more accurate than that. You are arguing that you can "tell" something is wrong with the shuffle that statistical analysis cannot tell you - well, that's what it boils down to.

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Why are you trying to argue rationally with someone who has already shown themselves to be quite incapable of understanding some incredibly basic logic?

Just set the doomswitch to on and snap off the lever.

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Josem, I may very well be mistaken but I seem to remember PartyGaming's casino being proven rigged a long time ago... as I say, may well be a mistake of hazy memory.

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Yes I understand this.....

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Good to hear. Anyway, I think Homer hit the nail on the head with that last post.

Very few posters on this forum would think it impossible for any poker site to be rigged. However, most of us would like to see some kind of reasonable evidence to prove such rigging. The fact that there has been some shady online casinos does NOT equal "Stars is rigged".

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Absolutely. In fact, the occurrence of many casinos being proven rigged with a much smaller user base than Stars, with many less of that user base having access to statistical analysis tools lends a great deal of credibility to the idea that despite how our brains may perceive things , Stars is in fact very unlikely to be rigged.

[Josem]

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Josem, I may very well be mistaken but I seem to remember PartyGaming's casino being proven rigged a long time ago... as I say, may well be a mistake of hazy memory.


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That's certainly possible - in which case, someone would be able to provide evidence of this. If you provide evidence of something being rigged, obviously I, and any other sane human being, would consider the evidence.

It would, however, surprise me to learn that PartyGaming running a criminal racket. I can't imagine that the UK has a publicly listed company that has been and still is conducting a large scale and deliberate fraud.

You see, the problem with the allegations made by these muppets is that the logical consequence is that the directors of the company and the people perpetrating the crime should go to gaol.

I have sufficient faith in our legal system that in a situation where:
a) a number of people claimed of an illegal fraud; and
b) there was any evidence to support the claims of illegal fraud;

that the police would prosecute those responsible. Clearly (a) is true. I do not think (b) is true.