"The Well" aejones style

[Chaos_ult]

I'm still trying to digest your "merging ranges" post.

I think I may have an example in which I merged my range.
Yes/no?

Full Tilt Poker
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
SB: $132
Hero (BB): $119.85
UTG: $143
MP: $93.70
CO: $78.45
BTN: $98.50

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> T T ($1.5, 6 players)
UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12</font>, SB calls $8

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 4 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J ($24, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 4 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($24, 2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets $15</font>, Hero calls $15

<font color="black">River:</font> 4 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [2] ($54, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $20</font>, SB calls $20

<font color="black">Results:</font>
SB had K A (a pair of Twos)
Hero had T T (two pair, Tens and Twos) and won $91
Final Pot: $91.00 ($3.00 rake)

[redCashion]

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this is the best well I've read, thanks ae

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By a decent margin, great job.

So I'd like to have you address the controversial topic of folding KK preflop. In the past I would post hands where a straight forward multitabling tag would 4 bet preflop and I am holding KK, knowing that I am up at worst another KK, and asking what I should do in that situation. The consensus always seems to be, if he's got AA he's got AA, but you should never fold KK preflop. Someone even calculated that only once out of 9000 hands will you face an KK vs AA situation.

But I've still added this to my repertoire, again only when all signs are pointing to this being the type of tag who will never look to get his stack in preflop with worse than KK against another tag. For the record, my stats run about 16/12 and even though I mix it up more than those stats would suggest (more by floating and occasionally double barrelling than 3betting light) I don't think most view me as anything other than tightish. Do you agree that there are spots when folding KK preflop is correct?

[ValarMorghulis]

Great well.

Do you think the Jkratzer (v citanul) thread was a good example of merging ranges? Basically JKratzer tried to make a thin value raise, merging his range between his monsters and bluffs hoping to get a hero call from a worse hand.

[Trix]

Could you give a quick call/3bet range in either blind against a decent lagtag kinda player who opens like 40-50% from the button ?

I´m guessing that you are mixing it up with some hands though, but could you tell which ones you think plays better by calling or raising most of the time and why ?

[illuminati]

AE,

Thanks very much for this post dood. Hopefully some of us will use it to your disadvantage in the future [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[aejones]

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http://www.pokerhand.org/?863843
Karmenito 22.4/7.5/0.7
Barius 24.4/7.4/3.7
And me 22.3/17.9/6.1

Minraise was scary so maybe a call was better.What do you think?


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An all in is just fine there. You have soo much equity vs anything that he can have, you have a 6 so it takes away a lot of combinations of middle set. You're showing a ton of strength. You kill any other draws. Getting all in with ANY FE at all is spectacular in that spot... played just fine.

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And another question:
How often do you call with 67s to a 3-bet preflop?

Everybody has 200.Everybody folds to hero who raises to 7 OTB.SB folds and a bit laggy BB reraises to 23.


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Meh, fold sometimes, call if he's active, but be prepared to push a bunch of flops that you miss, all that you flop an OESD or flush draw. I like to be a little bit deeper, and you have to have a GOOD read of your opponent to make this call preflop.. I think it's marginal. I do it sometimes if I'm running good or if I want to tilt my opponent. Try to make sure you know something about him though if you want to make this call profitably.

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And one more question:
Same situation and I have 88.I decide to call that 3-bet.
Flop is 223r.He bets 30.If I wanna make a play here, should I raise or just call with the intention to bet when he checks on the turn?

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Just call with the intention of controling the size of the pot. The board is so dry that almost no one is going broke with 66 there, and your hand only beats whiffed overs. No need to raise out of fear of an overcard hitting, just call and control the pot. Bet most turns depending on what they are.

[illuminati]

AE,

" What you need to gather, is that we do NOT have to show a PROFIT with KTs from MP, or 56s. What happens, is that by opening these hands and playing more pots, is that we get MORE profit and action from our HUGE hands, so look at your profit with AA jump since you're not a nit anymore."

Wow. I figured since I was losing with these hands in EP they weren't profitable, what I didn't realise was that the $$ was going elsewhere due to the fact that I was, in fact, opening these hands.

One of "those" moments [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] &lt;3

[aejones]

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I'm still trying to digest your "merging ranges" post.

I think I may have an example in which I merged my range.
Yes/no?

Full Tilt Poker
$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
SB: $132
Hero (BB): $119.85
UTG: $143
MP: $93.70
CO: $78.45
BTN: $98.50

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> T T ($1.5, 6 players)
UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12</font>, SB calls $8

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 4 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J ($24, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 4 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($24, 2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets $15</font>, Hero calls $15

<font color="black">River:</font> 4 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [2] ($54, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $20</font>, SB calls $20

<font color="black">Results:</font>
SB had K A (a pair of Twos)
Hero had T T (two pair, Tens and Twos) and won $91
Final Pot: $91.00 ($3.00 rake)

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Mixed feelings about this hand. First, I'd usually c-bet the flop. The reason is that if he's got a jack, he's not going anywhere anyways. If he's got a second pair, which is defined as any 6 to TT here, then you've got the best "second pair" hand. That is, if you bet this flop, expect a call from 77-99 quite often. Especially since the flop is draw heavy... I'm c-betting here almost always (15 dollars is proabbly my preference with size). You've got the right idea I think... the problem is that one of the draws come in on the river, so he can be checking a better hand here with some "fear." That said, if you're going to bet the river, your sizing looks good to me. As long as you don't think he's capable of taking advantage of it with a bluff CR, it's fine.

[Michaelson]

Some of the strategy posts in this thread have been lightyears ahead of anything else I've read on 2+2. I generally browse the forums pretty casually, and so I'm sure there's a lot of stuff out there that competes (you've linked to some of it, and alluded to still more), but the depth of thought and reasoning that has gone into a lot of what you have said here is truly impressive, and even when you don't think you've expressed your thoughts well, you almost always have.

Which is my roundabout way of saying 'thankyou!'

[aejones]

Here's an example of the Yeti Theorem:

PokerStars Game #8672160075: Tournament #43908290, $150+$10 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round II, Level VI (100/200) - 2007/02/28 - 17:09:07 (ET)
Table '43908290 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 4: THEROBBOB20 (4050 in chips)
Seat 8: triathlon4 (9450 in chips)
triathlon4: posts small blind 100
THEROBBOB20: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
triathlon4: raises 250 to 450
THEROBBOB20: calls 250
*** FLOP *** [4d 4s 6h]
THEROBBOB20: checks
triathlon4: bets 200
THEROBBOB20: raises 500 to 700
triathlon4: raises 500 to 1200
THEROBBOB20: raises 2400 to 3600 and is all-in
triathlon4: calls 2400
*** TURN *** [4d 4s 6h] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [4d 4s 6h 5s] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
THEROBBOB20: shows [Ac 4c] (three of a kind, Fours)
triathlon4: shows [9s As] (a pair of Fours)
THEROBBOB20 collected 8100 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8100 | Rake 0
Board [4d 4s 6h 5s Th]
Seat 4: THEROBBOB20 (big blind) showed [Ac 4c] and won (8100) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 8: triathlon4 (button) (small blind) showed [9s As] and lost with a pair of Fours