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Old 09-22-2007, 04:55 PM
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events even in courts of law today are frequently verified by eyewitness testimony

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how often are these witnesses dead?
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Old 09-22-2007, 05:15 PM
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Don Piper: At Heaven's Gate
By Lori Victa and Kathy Chiero
The 700 Club

http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/...ven051104.aspx

CBN.com – Don Piper was relieved when the pastor's conference he had been attending finished a little early that Wednesday in January 1989. Being associate pastor and having just been appointed minister of education at a Houston area church, Don was a busy man. The early start home would provide him much needed time to mentally organize his hectic schedule.

"I was thinking about that night and also that I was going to be preaching that next Sunday morning in three services," Don remembers.

Little did Don know he would be late for the service that night--not just by minutes or hours, but by months--and before he got home, he would take a detour he would never forget.

Within minutes of leaving the retreat center, Don drove onto a bridge spanning a lake. It was a fairly long bridge and there was water on both sides of the elevated highway.

Recalling the scene, Don says, "I approached the end of the bridge, and before I reached the end, a tractor-trailer truck owned by the Texas Dept. of Corrections crossed the center stripe and hit my car head on."

Not only did the truck hit Don's car, it ran over the passenger side of the small Ford Escort, completely crushing the vehicle and killing Don Piper. Instantly, Don began an amazing journey.

"When I was killed, I was instantly transported to heaven's gate," he says. "It was an instantaneous thing."

Don found himself standing in front of a divine portal, surrounded by familiar faces.

"I did not see a single person that I did not know," he says. "They were relatives, they were friends that died in high school, they were teachers--they were people I had seen and known all my life who had gone to glory. They were smiling; they were embracing me; they were welcoming me' they were in the process of taking me through the gate of heaven."

Looking over the heads of his friends, Don saw a looming pearl gate.

"The gate of heaven was a magnificent edifice, the one that I saw. It looked no less like a giant gate that had been sculpted from mother-of-pearl," Don explains.

Peering through the gate, Don saw an incredible light.

"Behind that portal was such a light that I don't conceive of how you could see it in an earthly body. It could only be envisioned in a heavenly body because it was too bright."

And, says Don, there was music, that of a literal, angelic choir.

"In all honesty, as awesome as the sight was, the sound was more amazing," he says. "I heard literally thousands of praise songs. They were all praise songs. I really couldn't see anything. I was so preoccupied with the people around me, I couldn't see anything. But you could sense this hum of wings hovering all about you, like you were being ministered to by angels, and they were observing this whole episode."

While Don stood at the gates of heaven, pastor Dick Onerecker of Kline, Texas, stood on a Texas highway by Don's lifeless body. He had also attended the pastor's conference. He came upon the accident moments after it happened. The EMS personnel had told him that Don was dead.

"It was as though I was compelled to stop and to pray for him. The Lord had just impressed on me very emphatically, very urgently that I was to pray for him," says Dick. "I walked over by the door. There was great physical damage on the outside. I laid my hands on him and began to pray for him."

As soon as Don's journey began, it ended. Don found himself back in his crushed vehicle, staring up at a tarp that had been thrown over him by medical attendants.

Says Don, "The first conscious memory was 'What a Friend we have in Jesus.' I was singing. I was thinking to myself, Why am I singing this song? I'm in the dark, and I knew it was about noon time when the accident happened. I'm in the dark, I'm singing, and I'm holding a hand. I'm thinking to myself, What on earth is happening?"

Dick had begun singing hymns to Don.

"The Lord impressed on me not only to pray for him but that there would be no internal injuries and that there would be no head injuries. Then, I began to sing, and I to heard him singing with me," says Dick.

Don was transported to Herman Hospital in Houston. Miraculously, he suffered no head or internal injuries. However, virtually every bone in Don's body was either broken or shattered.

His left arm and left leg were completely severed, and had to be rebuilt and replaced. Looking at his battered and pain-seared body, this man who had touched heaven's gates wanted to go back.

"My mindset was having now been able to see what the matter with me was, and to know how beautiful heaven was, to want to be there again. As much as I loved these people that I was with, I was so confident of their salvation experiences that I knew they would join me sometime in the future," Don says.

But the prayers and love of family and friends pulled Don through four months of intensive therapy, numerous operations, and infections that on two occasions almost claimed his life.

"I like to say that I came back by popular demand," he says. "People prayed me back from the gates of heaven. People prayed me back from death's door. I'm here because people asked God for me to be here."
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:39 PM
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Last chance to answer me and then I am putting you on ignore. Are you willing to have a discussion with me or not? If you like we could start by talking about this Piper story. Yes/no.
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:59 PM
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Tpir I'm not sure why you are so angry...If I missed something yesterday I was trying to manage 3 posts...What is your question on Piper...
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Old 09-22-2007, 07:39 PM
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Tpir I'm not sure why you are so angry...If I missed something yesterday I was trying to manage 3 posts...What is your question on Piper...

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I am far from angry. Although these threads have certainly been a bit frustrating at times [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

As for Piper, I know you are trying to teach, so let's start with: what should I have learned from reading this story in your opinion?
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Old 09-22-2007, 08:30 PM
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Piper's is an uplifting story...He survived 38 operations and can barely tie his shoes today, but he uses his story to let people know he has been to heaven...It helps him reach out to people in his ministry...He says he kept silent about it when it first happened, but a friend convinced him the story was inspirational and now he travels around the country relating his story...His story actually helps a lot people through hard times in their lives and helps them cope with death. He's also been on some national tv shows....
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Old 09-22-2007, 09:09 PM
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so someone claims to have had a vision of heaven that includes pretty much every cliche - dead friends and family, gates of mother of pearl(!), angelic choirs, and the "hum" of angels wings(!).

of course he went to heaven. who could make up a story like that? or have a dream like that? no one, that's who.
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Old 09-22-2007, 09:34 PM
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No Sephus he claims he was actually transported to heaven because he died...He did not have a vision of it...and he didn't have a near death...He says he died...Several EMTs on the scene pronounced him dead and had the tarp over his car with his dead body in the car...He says he was out a lot longer than the 7 minutes usually found as the point of death and he had such massive injuries that his heart stopped...when it stopped he didn't bleed out...He should have bled to death if he hadn't already died from shock...He says people call it a NDE but it was an actual death because his experience lasted a lot longer in time than an NDE (near death experience)...
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Old 09-22-2007, 09:57 PM
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yeah i should have said "claims that his soul left his body and went to heaven."

please assign subjective probabilities to the following options as best you can:

1. he invented the whole story
2. he had some sort of hallucination or dream of "heaven," but some of the story is exaggerated or invented
3. he had some sort of hallucination or dream that included everything he reports
4. he really did "go" to heaven
5. other

to show you what i mean, i'll do it.

1. .05
2. .93
3. .01
4. .000000000000000000000000000001
5. (1 - .05 - .93 - .01 - .000000000000000000000000000001)
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Old 09-22-2007, 10:01 PM
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No Sephus he claims he was actually transported to heaven because he died...He did not have a vision of it...and he didn't have a near death...He says he died...Several EMTs on the scene pronounced him dead and had the tarp over his car with his dead body in the car...He says he was out a lot longer than the 7 minutes usually found as the point of death and he had such massive injuries that his heart stopped...when it stopped he didn't bleed out...He should have bled to death if he hadn't already died from shock...He says people call it a NDE but it was an actual death because his experience lasted a lot longer in time than an NDE (near death experience)...


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Would you then agree that this information of yours provides further evidence that Scientology is perhaps the correct religion? Or at least has the answer to many truths?

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Scientology has documented hundreds of thousands of life-after-death, life-after-life experiences.

Read the book "Have You Lived Before This Life", by L. Ron Hubbard" The exact answers as documented by careful research. None of the principles of Scientology are based on "belief". They're based on years of methodical research and documented application upon thousands of cases.



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