I cannot win on pokerstars. Reasons ??

[sethypooh21]

Theory - a key difference between a winning and losing player is that after a losing session, a winning player wonders what he did wrong, whereas the losing player wonders what wrong was done to him.

Discuss.

[Bobo Fett]

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No need. 100% correct.

[JackCase]

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It is logically impossible to prove that a site is not rigged. No matter how much data is presented that shows a normal distribution of randomness, that does not prove that non-randomness never happens. It is difficult if not impossible to prove a negative proposition. You cannot prove that something does not happen or does not exist unless and until you examine every occurrence in that universe.

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So are you saying that all of the statistical data is inferior to a player's hunch that the deal doesn't feel right? It's kind of interesting because the people who say it's rigged are using statistical data of occurrences that they used their mind to compile.

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I'm saying that it is difficult if not impossible to prove a negative proposition. If I say that there are no unicorns and you ask me to prove it, I can't. If I say there are unicorns and you ask me to prove it, all I have to do is show you one unicorn.

So no matter how much data you have that a site is not rigged, and no matter how compelling that data and the tests on it are, that does not prove that the site is not rigged. And it especially will not convince someone who believes, without evidence, that it is rigged.

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If you say computer tracked data can not prove a site is random, how can human tracked data prove it is not random?

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Because computer tracked data cannot track every event in the sample universe, which it would have to do to absolutely prove that every event is random. Human tracked data only has to come up with a single event that is not random to prove that the site is rigged.

That is all theory of course, and the reality is that, even if a site is rigged, no one is likely to ever come up with a statistically significant proof of that. What is much more likely is that if a site were rigged, that information would leak through disgruntled ex-employees, industrial espionage, etc. The human element is the weak link.

[MicroBob]

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Stats are wrong because I am definately not winning 84% of the time with AA, that number is at 80% and next highest is KK at 64%


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If you haven't updated your PT as you also confirmed then you have no way of saying that the stats they are giving are wrong.

There is an old version of PT that you might have which does not get all the hands you played. This is why your numbers would be different.

Fascinating and weird that you would insist that your numbers are correct and that Stars numbers must be wrong.

Do you really think you were getting each of those pocket-pairs over 1% of the time over 84k hands and that it wasn't a mistake on your hand?
This is just so far off from the actual expectation.

Don't you think that if you were getting each pocket-pair over 1% of the time then there would be SOME other player out there who had the same thing happen and that they would post about it?
Well, this in fact already happened. Some guy DID post about it several months ago. Some people were freaking out. I thought it was really really odd as well.
Finally it was figured out that it was because of the old pokertracker version.

[GrindingIt]

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I have said many times my screename is Suitedkings1


Yes i do play 6-10tables of 5-10 to 10-20 six max and full ring

I also play 1-2 six max and full ring 12 table


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By the way I do crush the high stakes games on other sites, but I cant play them on stars ebcause I cannot even win at 10 20.

Bbut I do consistanlty beat 50-100 and 100-200 games on other sites and live which is how I maintain my lifestyle and bills


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So you play 1/2 and 100/200? You wonder why people don't take you serious or help it's real simple. You're a liar. You're delusional. You've played how many months and don't have the brains to figure out you need to get better. You're like 75% of the players out there who only look at the bad beats not the other 99% of your hands where you got owned like a little girl.

[Josem]

Here's a metaphor:

I cannot prove that flying reindeers do not exist. I have no hard data to "prove" that flying reindeers do not exist. There are certainly plenty of people (most of them about five years old, and about equivalent in mental age to the muppets on here claiming online poker is rigged with no proof) who believe that flying reindeers exist.

While the muppets can suggest that there is a chance that flying reindeers exist, I'm willing to claim that there are no flying reindeers (another planet? hiding in northern finland? they only come out at night when no body is watching? they only reveal themselves to a "special few"?).

For the many thousands of people who believe that online poker is rigged, don't you think that [b]one[b], just ONE [censored] PERSON, might have some proof?

Don't you think it is odd THAT NOT A SINGLE [censored] PERSON OUT OF ALL THE THOUSANDS WHO CLAIM ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED HAVE PROVIDED A SINGLE [censored] SHRED OF EVIDENCE?

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How can you say with 100 percent certaintly that everything is above board??

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No one is claiming with 100 percent certainty that everything is above board.

We are content with the current situation because there is no reason to doubt the pokersites. There is no evidence that they are rigged.

The muppets are claiming that PokerStars (and other sites) are conducting a massive fraud against players. They are providing no evidence to support this quite offensive allegation against the character of thousands of people.

Thus, in the absence of such evidence, I'm confident that online poker at major sites is not rigged.

[GrindingIt]

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Stats are wrong because I am definately not winning 84% of the time with AA, that number is at 80% and next highest is KK at 64%

I cannot post everyday because I just bought a new house ( brag ) 1.2 million. ( I really must suck at poker ) and I am moving a bunch of crap and trying to figure out a stupid wall mount for that 60inch pioneer in the vip store ( awesome tv by the way )


No I have not updated my pt, infact I have never updated my pt, it got overfull with data sometime early this year and tech support told me to do some stuff to re new the database thats why I only have 84k hands.


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This is so stupid it's funny. So you don't even know how to use poker tracker and make a new database? You play 1/2 and live in a million dollar house off your winnings (losings)? You're tired of all the penis braggers in here and write this crap? You're a joke. Move out of your parents basement and get a job and don't play poker again. Better yet move to vegas and play live for a living as you're so good. You won't take that advice though so you need some miracle donkament wins to help you out. If you do go to vegas please PM when your posts about vegas being rigged hits. I look forward it.

[realjaydub]

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For the many thousands of people who believe that online BLACK JACK is rigged, don't you think that one, just ONE [censored] PERSON, might have some proof?

Don't you think it is odd THAT NOT A SINGLE [censored] PERSON OUT OF ALL THE THOUSANDS WHO CLAIM ONLINE BLACK JACK IS RIGGED HAVE PROVIDED A SINGLE [censored] SHRED OF EVIDENCE?

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No one is claiming with 100 percent certainty that everything is above board.

We are content with the current situation because there is no reason to doubt the pokersites. There is no evidence that they are rigged.

The muppets are claiming that PokerStars (and other sites) are conducting a massive fraud against players. They are providing no evidence to support this quite offensive allegation against the character of thousands of people.

Thus, in the absence of such evidence, I'm confident that online BLACK JACK at major sites is not rigged.

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Replace poker with Black Jack or Online Casinos and you look like an idiot.

Really, what's the difference?

[MicroBob]

Fascinating. Great stuff guys.
Keep it up.

[Josem]

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Replace poker with Black Jack or Online Casinos and you look like an idiot

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Well, obviously that's a significant change to make, but even so, why would I look like an idiot?

Is there proof that major BJ/gaming sites are rigged? Does Party rig BJ and/or Roulette etc.?