WSEX: Official Monthly Thread: June. (#10 of 10.)

[GTL]

I just played the $10, 5k added tournament. The structure is fast, but that is to be expected for a 10 dollar tourney, and the 5k really juices up the prizepool. The only problem I had with the tournament was stalling on the bubble. I had a decent sized stack but there were 6 or 7 short and medium stacks. When the bubble came, nearly all the short stacks began to completely run their clock down every decision time. This lost me a lot of EV because I wasn't able to steal as much. Perhaps switching to hand for hand at the bubble could help alleviate the problem. (I know hand to hand is really slow, but I think it's the lesser of two evils)

By the way, I deposited via moneygram and everything went smoothly. Had the money in my account in less than 2 hours from the time I sent it.

[72kcoh]

....Also, I have a bug to report. I have had a few random hands which were automatically checked for me. The first couple of times, I thought I must have accidentally highlighted the Check button before my turn. They were inconsequential hands where I didn't plan to bet anyway, so I didn't think too much of it. But most recently, when I was last to act on the river and somehow auto-checked down the nuts, I realized it was definitely a software problem.


i asked this about a month ago.. happens to me about once a day. just wait until it auto folds you when bet into with the nuts.

[jafeather]

Thanks so much to WSEX for the tourney tonight. To have a "big" (by their standards) tourney and guarantee a MINIMUM 100% overlay (which ended up being quite a bit more than that) is completely awesome. I hope that whatever you hoped to get out of tonight's tourney happened for you and we get some more of these.

A minor suggestion. Most of your tourneys last ~2hours or less, so no break isn't that big of a deal. If you plan on implementing more of these, though, a break would be appreciated. Also, I don't normally mind your 10-minute levels. Much bigger than your norm, though (like tonight,) I'd really like to see 15 minute levels.

Thanks again for regularly adding money to the poker economy.

[Banzai]

Too late for this year of course, but how about some WSOP steps type tournaments like Party do?

Everyone likes a cheap shot at the big time, and if you make it fee free word might get round. You just need to make sure you cover your costs and you have nothing to lose.

From memory, the Party structure is:

$8 sub qualifier and top 10% go through to:

$60 qualifier and top 10% go through to:

a weekly qualifier ($600) in which Party guarantee 4 seats but it could be 1 seat for every X players and if the minimum entries to cover 1 seat isn't met the tourney could either roll-over or pay cash prizes.

In fact, to be a bit different how about running qualifiers to events other than the Main Event? I don't know of any sites that offer qualifiers to other WSOP events.

[Benjamin]

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Another something I've been thinking is that WSEX could allow HUDS, which would almost instantly bring in a lot of multitablers.

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I've been thinking about this too. I think it might not be a bad idea. With the 4 table limit in place, the 'trawler' effect of sharks playing 12 tables and sucking huge money off the site is limited.

If WPEX is going to not allow HUDs then they should make another move to disrupt the existing software that enables it. The current situation, where some substantial part of the population knows about and buys a work-around (discouraged if not outright prohibited by the site), and so has an advantage over the rest of the players is undesirable.

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You could keep the 100% concept, but the last 50 % or 25% of the bonus you get only if you gamble an equal (or greater) amount in the sportsbook (to the 50 % or the 25%).

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Even a 10% play through requirement would be enough to generate some real money for WSEX, and it would insert the hook into the mouth of a lot of people who might not otherwise sports-bet enough to get the fever.

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WSEX makes some money (and hence has incentive to advertise), game availabilty and selection improves, and together with the new looseness the site grows by leaps and bounds over the next 90 days.

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I like the vision, and I think it could easily happen. Continued software improvement combined with current promotions and a switch to contributed rakeback will probably lead to growth in time. Allowing HUDs would bring growth immediately. The two combined could really make the site take off surprisingly fast, IMO.

[Banzai]

I have been giving this some thought, if you polled the entire WPEX player pool for their reason for playing at the site, what would the vast, vast majority say?

Rakeback, Rakeback and rakeback. Not game softness / selection, not player base, not anything else, purely and simply rakeback.

In reality this is all the site has going for it and therefore (for the time-being) it must be it's key and only real selling point.

I wish the site all the best and I am extremely grateful to Fred and the team at WPEX for making it possible. I have tried to recruit people to WPEX but nobody I have recommended it to has taken it up as their preferred site. I plan to have 1 more "drive" to encourage others.

Is it worth trying another "Prime the pumps" event, only this time including the Euro players by making it an earlier start?

[barongreenback]

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Fish don't even know what contributed/dealt means. Also, new fish to the site will be getting back more each week, but they don't have anything to compare it to. They'll be happy getting anything back. Fish also don't understand tight vs loose games. They play their own cards, not the other players and they don't care about table dynamics.

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This is an arrogant and counter productive attitude that is commonplace among winners especially on this site.

'Fish' are not all stupid, they just have different motivations for playing. It may be hard to believe but some people who have real world high paying jobs and play poker for fun actually don't want to play sit and fold poker. Just because they are prepared to lose doesn't mean they enjoy it, especially when their money goes to tight players.

Also, these people pay you to play poker. The least you can do in return is give them a bit of respect.

The benefits from contributed don't come from any marketing value but from actual changes to money flow:
the penalty for playing loose is reduced
looser plays lose less or win more than before
the games become looser
the games become more attractive to recreational players.

None of this means that wpex will suddenly take off but it's still the way to go, I feel.

[Dex]

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I requested a check on May 17th without choosing the $30 "overnight" option. As of June 20th, it's not here yet.

I requested another check on June 9th and did choose the $30 "overnight" option that time. It arrived today (June 20th).

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Update: The check I requested by regular mail on May 17th arrived today (June 23rd).

[Benjamin]

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I have been giving this some thought, if you polled the entire WPEX player pool for their reason for playing at the site, what would the vast, vast majority say?

Rakeback, Rakeback and rakeback. Not game softness / selection, not player base, not anything else, purely and simply rakeback.

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But the site has been shrinking! Your statement may be true of those who still remain, but everyone else has left for sites with looser games and more game selection.

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I have tried to recruit people to WPEX but nobody I have recommended it to has taken it up as their preferred site.

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Same for me. Thing is, all of the guys in my home game who play online know WPEX's reputation as a tight tough site. So, only one tried it, who then busted out and didn't rebuy.

[metsandfinsfan]

the friday tourny popup still comes up

same deal next week?