2008 Presidential primaries thread

[kutuz_off]

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she comes off as the wacko dyke bitch.

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Yep, this is how this country votes.

[Howard Treesong]

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Not having established a long term voting record in the Senate will be plus for him IMO. He won't be labled as being an "inside the beltway" type and that is a very a good thing if you're running for president.

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QFT

Just look at the problems Hillary is having now trying to explain her war vote. Look at how it screwed Kerry in 04. The longer you are in the Senate, the longer your voting record can be picked over to find contradictions or can be spun to put you in a bad light.

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That's true, but Kerry made it very easy for people to go after him. Hillary is smarter, more articulate and meaner.

[MrMon]

Hillary can deflect Obama in the Iraq debate very easily (outside of the wacko far left element of the Democratic Party) by simply stating "I was a Senator who had to make a difficult decision on how to vote based on the information I had available to me at the time. I stand by that vote and if I only had the information I had at the time, I would make the same vote. If you're a state senator in Springfield, Illinois, you don't have to make those kind of tough decisions and it's easy to take a stand that has no consequences."

[Borden]

wouldnt it be a sick move by bill and co. if hillary takes the nomination but then asks obama to be her vp.

[mark_foley]

By the time the primary is over there is going to be too much bad blood for a Hillary/Obama ticket.

[Borden]

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By the time the primary is over there is going to be too much bad blood for a Hillary/Obama ticket.

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thats why it would be such a sick/yet brilliant move....hillary probably would never even consider it...but i know bill's mind will be thinking it.

[LearnedfromTV]

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Mitt Romney - I put him at about %10 to win.

Positioning - He is the Hillary Clinton of the GOP. He is the most moderate candidate and will likely attract GOP moderates with his pro-gay, pro-choice positions.

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fyi. A bit on Romney's "updated" positions on abortion and gay rights (source: AP):

"A political neophyte at the time, Romney ran as a moderate in a failed effort to unseat Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy in 1994 and again in his 2002 gubernatorial campaign. Now he's having to answer for his statements and positions back then as he tries to campaign as the more conservative candidate to McCain and Giuliani.

During the Senate race, he wrote a letter promising a gay Republican group he would be a stronger advocate for gays and their rights than Kennedy. Nevertheless, he insists he has been an unflinching opponent of gay marriage.

Also, in the two previous campaigns, he said that regardless of personal beliefs, abortion should be safe and legal. Now, he describes himself as pro-life and argues that Roe v. Wade should be replaced with state abortion regulations."

[LearnedfromTV]

My only comment on the race at this point is please please please can we have at least one candidate with enough balls to occasionally speak as though he can't read polling data and enough intelligence to occasionally make it his job to convince us what we should believe rather than tell us what we want to hear.

I left the gender-specific 'he' alone because Hillary has already convinced me she isn't it. It's ironic, because she had balls in 1993.

[fish2plus2]

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In general, whoever wins primaries, Republican candidate will be starting in a sizeable disadvantage.

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If the dem nominee is obama or hilary wont the republican nominee automatically have a pretty huge advantage?

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My guess, based in part on some stuff I've seen from pollsters on TV, is that the reps will have a hard time winning regardless of the candiates, just because of the shift against them.

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I dont understand why exactly the American public has now turned against the republicans. didnt they want the war in iraq? they just dont want soliders to die while occupying another country? if there is another terrorist attack, then they will be voting republican again. what a retarded a population.

[LearnedfromTV]

The stock line is that we wanted the war based on the (mis)information bush and co gave re wmds and terrorism ties. Now with full information we don't.

I lean towards your opinion that we're collectively idiots particularly with respect to our ability to assess military risk/reward.

The greatest mess of all is that now we're [censored] in the Middle East for the next ten years at a time when the importance of Middle East policy is at an all-time high. The next President is going to have to be a strategic and political genius to properly handle Iran, even if everything else in the region goes as well as can be hoped. Anyone see an FDR in the candidate pool?