Donkey Test

[TasteThePainbow]

I think others looking at this question (Q27) are missing some of the value of a shove -- we could get called by an overpair and be pretty far ahead.

I think he calls with JJ-AA, 77, 44, 22. Probably not A7 if he is a bit tight or there being any chance of an overpair. Shoving looks like a move, and might even get a call from AK.

Pokerstove:

28,710 games 0.005 secs 5,742,000 games/sec

Board: 2s 4h 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.701% 61.70% 00.01% 17713 1.50 { 4c2h }
Hand 1: 38.299% 38.29% 00.01% 10994 1.50 { JJ+, 77, 44, 22 }

[ev_slave]

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I think he calls with JJ-AA, 77, 44, 22. Probably not A7 if he is a bit tight or there being any chance of an overpair. Shoving looks like a move, and might even get a call from AK.

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I don't think AA-QQ are in his range since he didn't raise PF. A Tag will probably also raise with JJ, so if he limps JJ 1/3 of the time, we include only two iterations of JJ into the PS calcs. He may put us on something like A7s, at which point he may call with 99 or TT, but I think even that's a little frisky... We'll say all TT calls, but I feel that 99 won't call more than half of the time - I'll put 3 versions of it in PS. With that, it becomes a coin-flip with 51% equity.

Hand 0: 51.872% 51.86% 00.01% 8215 1.50 { 4c2h }
Hand 1: 48.128% 48.12% 00.01% 7622 1.50 { JcJd, JhJs, TT, 9c9d, 9c9h, 9d9s, 77, 44, 22 }

So it's still a shove, but a lot more marginal than some previously thought.

[Fiepoto]

I'm really enjoying this. Here's the next one:
<u>Question #29</u>
$5,000 should be enough money to bankroll a 5/10 No Limit poker professional for cash game play in a live casino.

[cheburashka]

I think the answer is that anybody answering this question in the beginner's forum is a long way from playing 5/10 in a live casino with any kind of bankroll!

Actually, I voted "true" not because of any knowledge, but because I vaguely remember reading somewhere that 500BB is the appropriate bankroll.

[KipBond]

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$5,000 should be enough money to bankroll a 5/10 No Limit poker professional for cash game play in a live casino.

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You need more than 5 buy-ins to handle variance. I've heard the minimum is 20. So, for 5/10, you need 20,000.

[Fiepoto]

I voted false. Like Kip, I've read that in NL games one should have at least 20 buy-ins, each buy-in being 100*BB. Not sure where that number comes from originally, or if it is based on any solid variance equation. I do know that it assumes that you are a winning player.

Also, I have often heard people say that if you are a conservative player, you may be able to get away with 50*BB as a buy-in to NL games. (point is moot regarding the questions since you would still need $10,000 to sit)

Since this is a beginner's forum, let me also ask you guys this. Since, by the formula that Kip mentioned, you would need $4,000 bankroll to play in a 1/2 NL game, am I taking too large of a risk with my $3,000 bank roll at the 1/2game?

I actually dictate my buy-in through my bak roll. So, for example, I buy in for 150 now. Is this better than reducing my number of buy-ins by going in for the full 200 each time?

I'm a very tight but aggressive player, and so far I've had good luck at 1/2 (started out with a bankroll of 1000, and buy-ins of 100). I know I've been lucky thus far not to go on a bad streak, but since I'm already taking a shot, should I do it with larger buy-ins or more buy-ins? Should I just stick with 100?

I really don't feel all that disadvantaged by coming in with a short stack to a NL game. the only time it hurts is when I have that big hand, i know that I could be making more. However, I'm tougher to bluff, and guys call me down all the time when everyone know I've got it--all because I'm simply "short stacked."

criticism appreciated. thanks guys.

[Fiepoto]

<u>Question 30</u>:
In no-limit Hold'em, your position matters less than in limit Hold'em because of your ability to move all-in at any time. The deeper the stacks, the less your position matters in no-limit.

[tlw1230x]

Reading the replies, yeah, it's probably false. I was thinking possibly that the wording might push it towards true. It states professional, so I think winning player and it states live game, where there's much less variance than online.

[tlw1230x]

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<u>Question 30</u>:
In no-limit Hold'em, your position matters less than in limit Hold'em because of your ability to move all-in at any time. The deeper the stacks, the less your position matters in no-limit.

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False. Your position matters more for that very reason.

[tlw1230x]

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You need more than 5 buy-ins to handle variance. I've heard the minimum is 20. So, for 5/10, you need 20,000.

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and also in re: to Fiepoto

check out this writeup on bankroll.

I agree with this, if you're at 15+ buyins (at the higher level) and you want to move up, take a shot at it. If you fall down to 10 buyins, move back down a level until you grind your roll back up to 15+.