FTP locks my account for excess transfers, refuse to answer emails.

[kyleb]

Hoo boy this thread got off on a pretty sick tangent.

[MicroBob]

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The people that I deal with wouldn't do [censored].

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limitninja did chargebacks on one of his other accounts!!!!

[Gunnarr]

1) It is my understanding that it is illegal to transfer money on the internet for gambling in the usa. This is why so many sites pulled out of the usa and so many ewallets.

2) We agree on that point. The problem is poker as a skill game is debatable. I personally feel sports betting is a skill game as well , but I havent heard of any court fights etc to argue that point. There is a reason fulltilt and pokerstars do not offer sportsbooks and blackjack etc.

3) Well, when you can show me all the money they are making off sportsbetting , then I will listen to why they would risk breaking the law to allow transfers for sportsbets on other sites.

4) If you think Fulltilt isnt in constant communication with lawyers about where on the edge they can stand with the least chance of prosecution, then you are the ones in la la land.

5) Not sure if extradition is even possible but other main sites ceos etc have been arrested once they set foot on American soil. Netellers cofounder was just recently. It may not be a concern but again why risk it if there is nothing in it for them?

[kyleb]

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The people that I deal with wouldn't do [censored].

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limitninja did chargebacks on one of his other accounts!!!!

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To clarify, I mean the people I dealt RE: staking. It seems pretty clear that they are now referring to everyone I've transferred to, and obviously I can't vouch for them.

[selurah]

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limitninja did chargebacks on one of his other accounts!!!!

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Bob, come on limitninja is 100% legit bro. After all he is trying to transfer people there money 5 weeks after he was supposed to. I mean I'm sure he can be trusted at his word that he didn't do anything else that could be considered outright fraud. Haven't you ever agreed to a swap money online and have the guy pay you 8 weeks later instead of instantly like he was supposed to?

[MicroBob]

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It seems pretty clear that they are now referring to everyone I've transferred to

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why would you think otherwise?
How on earth would Fulltilt be able to make the distinction behind the purpose of each and every one of your transfers?

One non-staking transfer looks exactly the same as a staking-transfer to them, doesn't it?

[kyleb]

Not necessarily - 2+2'ers who keep the money in the account and do not cash out would not fall in line with the group of people I am staking for other types of activities. However, I guess they're grouping everyone in.

[MicroBob]

Of course they're grouping everyone in.

All they see is a zillion transfers from you to a bunch of different players.
Some players are putting in a ton of hands after the transfer and others not-so-much.
That's all that they see obviously.

Once they determined that some of the players you are transferring too aren't playing very much then they decided to look into every single one of your transfers to see how much each one is playing, what stakes they are playing relative to the size of the transfer, and make sure that you are indeed transferring to real people.

It seems weird to think that FT would somehow know which of your transfers were non-staking agreements. All it is to them is a ton of transfers to people putting in varying amounts of play.

[KurtSF]

I can't believe the ignorance being thrown around. Pardon me as I throw around some of my own. I'll try to stick to what I know, but appologies in advnace for anything I screw up.

(1) The hullabaloo about online poker being illegal is from the UIEGA. Most to-the-letter interpretations of the UIGEA indicate that in any state where online poker was legal before it still is legal. Despite this the FBI seems to believe otherwise. The poker sites that have pulled out of the US have done so voluntairy. Some payment processors have bowed out under politcal and legal presure, however.

(2) Sports betting was made illegal by the Wire Act, not the UIGEA. While the UIGEA hasn't even had its regulations written yet, the Wire Act is longstanding (since 1961) and has been upheld in court as making online sportsbetting illegal in the US.

(3) Despite his claims that there is 0% chance that anything "shady" has been done by any of the folks Kyle did transfers with, he has done a transfer with limitninja, a known scammer. This alone makes the 0% claim pretty suspect.

(4) Even so, Kyle has publicly stated that he transfered money to be used for sports betting. I don't know how Kyle is defining "shady", but arguably this statment alone seems to tag the trades as "shady".

Even if this doesn't open Kyle to criminal charges (I am cartainly ignorant here), its likely FTP will take strong action in order to keep their nose "clean" and maximize the liklihood that they can continue operating in the US, whther or not this was the reason the investigation was initiated. I am not as optimistic as others in this thread that he will emerge from this with a functioning FTP account. I wish him luck though.

Where are FTPDoug and FTPSean? FTP continually shows a lack of respect for thier customers and continually shows that their customer service is, to put it lightly, lacking. I don't have the words.

[Tuco]

Kyle,

Could the problem be bonus whoring FTP a bunch of new accounts for the $600 deposit bonus?

Tuco.