Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > Tournament Poker > STT Strategy
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

View Poll Results: who likes
check/call 1 8.33%
bet/call 5 41.67%
bet/3b 5 41.67%
check/raise 1 8.33%
bet/fold (NITS) 0 0%
Voters: 12. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #2161  
Old 10-31-2007, 12:35 PM
K䲰䮥n K䲰䮥n is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 3,616
Default Re: QQ in BvB

Villain is 29/22/2.0 standard 2p2er. Pretty sure he does not know Hero.

What should I do with my hand here? What am I beating but air?

Reply With Quote
  #2162  
Old 10-31-2007, 12:58 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: CT: $25NL, $27 MTT
Posts: 2,136
Default Re: QQ in BvB

[ QUOTE ]
I'd consider the 3 bet action before this hand if there was any and 3 betting pf is an option. I've begun folding 22-44 in the sb because it just plays so badly for me. If the pot is going to be 3way or more I'll play but not hu.

[/ QUOTE ]

just to clarify, you're folding 22-44 in sb in a 3-bet pot, not from the sb in general, right?

What hands do you complete w/ in sb? I have been completing w/ any connector, gapper, sc, Ax, Kx, and there are enough limpers 9:1 or better, pretty much any hand. Is this ok?
Reply With Quote
  #2163  
Old 10-31-2007, 01:12 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: CT: $25NL, $27 MTT
Posts: 2,136
Default Re: QQ in BvB

[ QUOTE ]
Villain is 29/22/2.0 standard 2p2er. Pretty sure he does not know Hero.

What should I do with my hand here? What am I beating but air?



[/ QUOTE ]

You've not been aggressive at all. He could be c-betting any med-big PP through KK. The only hand you should fear is AK, AQ, AA, 99, 22, 66. Call river bet otherwise why take a c/c line?
Reply With Quote
  #2164  
Old 10-31-2007, 01:44 PM
bones bones is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Blogging on icons
Posts: 5,768
Default Re: QQ in BvB

I'm trying to come up with a color coding notes system for ftp. There are 15 diff colors, but ill prob only use 10 or so because a few look too similar. so far i have

-laggy retard monkey
-huge station retard
-decent regular
-calls tons of 3b
-never calls 3b
-cally bad but not the worst ever
-laggy bad but not the worst ever

suggestions for others or improvements?
Reply With Quote
  #2165  
Old 10-31-2007, 02:08 PM
GtrHtr GtrHtr is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,729
Default Re: QQ in BvB

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I'd consider the 3 bet action before this hand if there was any and 3 betting pf is an option. I've begun folding 22-44 in the sb because it just plays so badly for me. If the pot is going to be 3way or more I'll play but not hu.

[/ QUOTE ]

just to clarify, you're folding 22-44 in sb in a 3-bet pot, not from the sb in general, right?

What hands do you complete w/ in sb? I have been completing w/ any connector, gapper, sc, Ax, Kx, and there are enough limpers 9:1 or better, pretty much any hand. Is this ok?

[/ QUOTE ]

No, I'm currently folding 22-44 in the sb in a hu pot. Ex, mp raises to 4x, co fold, btn fold, gtrhtr in the sb or bb folds.

I complete in the sb almost 0% of the time, I raise or fold. If I complete on some rare occasion, then its multiway with a small pp, sc's, Axs etc.
Reply With Quote
  #2166  
Old 10-31-2007, 02:13 PM
TruFloridaGator TruFloridaGator is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boomer Sooner
Posts: 10,871
Default Re: QQ in BvB

Folding a pair to a standard raise with 100bb+ stacks can't be good, can it? I like you're thinking overall though, John.
Reply With Quote
  #2167  
Old 10-31-2007, 02:13 PM
Ditch Digger Ditch Digger is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: TBD
Posts: 1,880
Default Re: QQ in BvB

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Villain is 28/20/3.80

Call or raise? What if I had 2 kings and no heart?

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $200
CO: $215.75
BTN: $238.80
SB: $202
BB: $186.05
UTG: $200

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, Hero calls $7, 4 folds

Flop: ($17) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $14</font> Hero ?

Results: $17 Pot ($17 Rake)

[/ QUOTE ]

I would raise pf and raise flop. You have a strong hand, make some money off it

[/ QUOTE ]

Meant to ask about PF as well. I didn't raise PF because I was UTG+1 and just sat down an orbit before. 3 betting from there seems pretty strong.
Reply With Quote
  #2168  
Old 10-31-2007, 02:15 PM
TruFloridaGator TruFloridaGator is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boomer Sooner
Posts: 10,871
Default Re: QQ in BvB

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Guy is like 25/19 over 100 hands, has 3 bet me habitually, probably 5-6 hands. I flatted him with 99 once &amp; c/rd the flop successfully(he folded) on a T83 flop.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): $96
BTN: $238.35
SB: $65.30
BB: $190.15
UTG: $124.15

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $38</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $238.35 and is All-In</font>, Hero ?

Do I have to call after running this? Should I 4 bet more?

[/ QUOTE ]

You put almost 50% of your stack in the pot pf with virtually nothing.

4 bet habitual 3 betters or over shove with hands that showdown well.

Stop opening with Q9s in the CO if btn habitually 3 bets.

Find another table.

[/ QUOTE ]

Guy wasn't a moron, I thought I had a lot of FE with my 1st 4th bet. He is 3betting super wide like suited connectors, all pairs, A9+,KJ+ or so. You're right though. I guess I have to call at that point given his likely wide range.
Reply With Quote
  #2169  
Old 10-31-2007, 02:16 PM
TruFloridaGator TruFloridaGator is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boomer Sooner
Posts: 10,871
Default Re: QQ in BvB

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Villain is 28/20/3.80

Call or raise? What if I had 2 kings and no heart?

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $200
CO: $215.75
BTN: $238.80
SB: $202
BB: $186.05
UTG: $200

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, Hero calls $7, 4 folds

Flop: ($17) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $14</font> Hero ?

Results: $17 Pot ($17 Rake)

[/ QUOTE ]

I would raise pf and raise flop. You have a strong hand, make some money off it

[/ QUOTE ]

Meant to ask about PF as well. I didn't raise PF because I was UTG+1 and just sat down an orbit before. 3 betting from there seems pretty strong.

[/ QUOTE ]

Depends on Villain, if I believe he is thinking I flat as well especially if possible 3bettors behind.
Reply With Quote
  #2170  
Old 10-31-2007, 02:41 PM
K䲰䮥n K䲰䮥n is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 3,616
Default Re: QQ in BvB

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Villain is 29/22/2.0 standard 2p2er. Pretty sure he does not know Hero.

What should I do with my hand here? What am I beating but air?



[/ QUOTE ]

You've not been aggressive at all. He could be c-betting any med-big PP through KK. The only hand you should fear is AK, AQ, AA, 99, 22, 66. Call river bet otherwise why take a c/c line?

[/ QUOTE ]

I hate my PF line, yes. Give me a standard in this spot.

turn... Big PPs, worse aces and draws (which all missed) will check behind on this turn way more often than they will bet. AQ+ is a HUGE part of villain's range. With this line Villain is beating HEro very often. Right? No?

EDIT: that HH sucks. Here's a manual conversion:

NL100, Effective stacks 100xBBs.
UTG folds
Villain raises to $4
CO folds
Button folds
SB folds
Hero calls with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Flop 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero check
Villain bets $7
Hero calls

Turn 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero checks
Villain bets $20
Hero folds
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.