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#2151
10-31-2007, 09:15 AM
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Re: QQ in BvB
Guy is super aggressive postflop & 30/25 over a small sample. Raising range could be wider than 25% here from what I've seen.
Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG: $158.75 MP: $278.45 CO: $203.45 BTN: $307.65 Hero (SB): $215.40 BB: $200 Pre-Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $8</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $7, BB folds Flop: ($18) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12 Turn: ($42) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, MP checks River: ($42) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero ? Should I block the river here & for how much? Or is my thinking way off? 
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#2152
10-31-2007, 09:15 AM
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Re: QQ in BvB
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Shove or call vs 21/19 He had raised my blind a few times & this is the first time I played back. 1.5 is his standard raise. Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BTN: $49.25 SB: $48.35 Hero (BB): $95.30 UTG: $72.85 CO: $56.55 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) 3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $1.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $15.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero ?</font> [/ QUOTE ] what about raise? you're deep, and will have position post flop. He might fold to a shove, unless he has a nice hand which more than likely beats you (he might call TT, AK, AQ... will call JJ-AA) [/ QUOTE ] This is why I was asking, he might call w/ TT,JJ,AQ,AK in BvB here. He may stack off with these postflop too. I don't know what to do vs a relative unknown here. Do I want to fold those hands out on the flop along with the possibility of an A or K flop. [/ QUOTE ] Id usually just get it in. Youre going to get called by hands youre ahead of often enough to profit. If you take a flop and the board come all undercards you wont stack AK anyway, and youre likely to lose youre stack to AA KK anyway, so you might as well shove pre. [/ QUOTE ] what about stack preservation when deep. This just seems too risky... in SNG this is fine, but it is still only one pair... what about big hands big pots... small hands small pots...
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#2153
10-31-2007, 09:17 AM
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Re: QQ in BvB
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Guy is like 25/19 over 100 hands, has 3 bet me habitually, probably 5-6 hands. I flatted him with 99 once & c/rd the flop successfully(he folded) on a T83 flop. Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (CO): $96 BTN: $238.35 SB: $65.30 BB: $190.15 UTG: $124.15 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $38</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $238.35 and is All-In</font>, Hero ? Do I have to call after running this? Should I 4 bet more? [/ QUOTE ] I don't think I like any of this. I fold at every opportunity...
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#2154
10-31-2007, 09:18 AM
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Re: QQ in BvB
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Guy is super aggressive postflop & 30/25 over a small sample. Raising range could be wider than 25% here from what I've seen. Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG: $158.75 MP: $278.45 CO: $203.45 BTN: $307.65 Hero (SB): $215.40 BB: $200 Pre-Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $8</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $7, BB folds Flop: ($18) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12 Turn: ($42) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, MP checks River: ($42) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero ? Should I block the river here & for how much? Or is my thinking way off? [/ QUOTE ] I usually check and let the LAG try to bluff the river if I think my hand has a good chance of being ahead. I doubt a blocking bet gets called by a worse hand here.
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#2155
10-31-2007, 09:19 AM
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Re: QQ in BvB
[ QUOTE ]
Guy is super aggressive postflop & 30/25 over a small sample. Raising range could be wider than 25% here from what I've seen. Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG: $158.75 MP: $278.45 CO: $203.45 BTN: $307.65 Hero (SB): $215.40 BB: $200 Pre-Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB) UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $8</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $7, BB folds Flop: ($18) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12 Turn: ($42) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero checks, MP checks River: ($42) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) Hero ? Should I block the river here & for how much? Or is my thinking way off? [/ QUOTE ] check/call a small bet on river, imo. He could have any pair higher than you.
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#2156
10-31-2007, 09:21 AM
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Re: QQ in BvB
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Shove or call vs 21/19 He had raised my blind a few times & this is the first time I played back. 1.5 is his standard raise. Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BTN: $49.25 SB: $48.35 Hero (BB): $95.30 UTG: $72.85 CO: $56.55 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) 3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $1.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $15.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero ?</font> [/ QUOTE ] what about raise? you're deep, and will have position post flop. He might fold to a shove, unless he has a nice hand which more than likely beats you (he might call TT, AK, AQ... will call JJ-AA) [/ QUOTE ] This is why I was asking, he might call w/ TT,JJ,AQ,AK in BvB here. He may stack off with these postflop too. I don't know what to do vs a relative unknown here. Do I want to fold those hands out on the flop along with the possibility of an A or K flop. [/ QUOTE ] Id usually just get it in. Youre going to get called by hands youre ahead of often enough to profit. If you take a flop and the board come all undercards you wont stack AK anyway, and youre likely to lose youre stack to AA KK anyway, so you might as well shove pre. [/ QUOTE ] what about stack preservation when deep. This just seems too risky... in SNG this is fine, but it is still only one pair... what about big hands big pots... small hands small pots... [/ QUOTE ] QQ is a big hand. There's a chance I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure shoving is not a mistake.
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#2157
10-31-2007, 09:28 AM
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Re: QQ in BvB
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Guy is like 25/19 over 100 hands, has 3 bet me habitually, probably 5-6 hands. I flatted him with 99 once & c/rd the flop successfully(he folded) on a T83 flop. Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (CO): $96 BTN: $238.35 SB: $65.30 BB: $190.15 UTG: $124.15 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $38</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $238.35 and is All-In</font>, Hero ? Do I have to call after running this? Should I 4 bet more? [/ QUOTE ] If his range is 99+, AQs, AK you're about even money but that seems fairly wide to me even considering the history between you.
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#2158
10-31-2007, 09:32 AM
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Re: QQ in BvB
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Guy is like 25/19 over 100 hands, has 3 bet me habitually, probably 5-6 hands. I flatted him with 99 once & c/rd the flop successfully(he folded) on a T83 flop. Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (CO): $96 BTN: $238.35 SB: $65.30 BB: $190.15 UTG: $124.15 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $38</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $238.35 and is All-In</font>, Hero ? Do I have to call after running this? Should I 4 bet more? [/ QUOTE ] I don't think I like any of this. I fold at every opportunity... [/ QUOTE ] The open raise is good. I'd fold after he 3 bets.
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#2159
10-31-2007, 10:12 AM
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Re: QQ in BvB
I'd consider the 3 bet action before this hand if there was any and 3 betting pf is an option. I've begun folding 22-44 in the sb because it just plays so badly for me. If the pot is going to be 3way or more I'll play but not hu.
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#2160
10-31-2007, 10:19 AM
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Re: QQ in BvB
[ QUOTE ]
Guy is like 25/19 over 100 hands, has 3 bet me habitually, probably 5-6 hands. I flatted him with 99 once & c/rd the flop successfully(he folded) on a T83 flop. Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter Hero (CO): $96 BTN: $238.35 SB: $65.30 BB: $190.15 UTG: $124.15 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $38</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $238.35 and is All-In</font>, Hero ? Do I have to call after running this? Should I 4 bet more? [/ QUOTE ] You put almost 50% of your stack in the pot pf with virtually nothing. 4 bet habitual 3 betters or over shove with hands that showdown well. Stop opening with Q9s in the CO if btn habitually 3 bets. Find another table.
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