**Official** uNL Microbrew Thread - October

[GSykes]

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on another note, just got cardrunners today. what are the best videos for a uNL player yo?

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[corsakh]

Start with old GP. Fantastic foundation. Don't go above 2/4 at the start.

[ama0330]

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Ok, so I am still obsessing on this Clayton-FGators post (I think there are a few others doing the same).

There's something about it I can't work out.

My understanding of the problem Clayton sees with FG-types is that they depend on showdown winnings too much, can only beat fish, can't mix it up post, always play the same lines, and only make money from decent players in a small number of "cooler" hands as Clayton describes them (i.e. hands where the money is going in no matter what, and hands where the cards will be switched next time...so for example JJ v. TT as overpairs on a rag board - today hero has the JJ, tomorrow hero has the TT, so it's all really just glorified coin-flipping).

So my question is, what is the difference between these FG-types, and the "nitty TAGs" Clayton describes thus:

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player 2 is the nitty tag. these guys are decent and handreading, know how to exploit weaker players very well, and are capable of mixing it up every now and then. however their true potential is hampered by only using a VPIP of 14 or so, instead opting for the grinder mentality that allows for maximimum MT Ratio and hourly (which, by all means, is perfectly fine, because odds are good they are taking more out of the game than anyone, BUT they choose to not try and earn more per hour in bigger games or on other pokersites which is meh)

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Clayton says these good nits do some good stuff (cb/vb well, handreading, mixing it up occasionally) but clearly they are not, by definition, doing what the ideal T/LAGs are doing. Surely these guys make their money from exactly the same places as FGs: sets, premiums, draws coming in, standard positional stealing etc.

My point is that on the one hand Clayton is saying you need to increase your red line to increase your green line, but on the other, that these good nitty TAGs get by just fine without putting themselves in that many red line situations. Right? I mean, they are 18/16 or even 15/12 nits...so why aren't they suffering the same fate as FGers?

Am I making any sense at all?

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hi i play poker

[corsakh]

So does Fgator [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[C4LL4W4Y]

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My understanding of the problem Clayton sees with FG-types is that they depend on showdown winnings too much

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this isn't necessarily the case. fg types won't value bet thin enough and thus will go to showdown less often vs. solid players because their betting ranges will be brutally obvious. while their w@sd pct will probably be higher than someone that can open up and vb thinner, the guy that does the latter will often get to showdown his monsters against decent regs, and make more overall showdown proft.

[whyzze]

I jst played aginst a future fgators. I know he is 2p2 so i wont post his name.

Basically, he ran 7/5/5 over 100 hands. He went to showdown once...against me...when I had kings.....and he had aces.

Anytime he called preflop, he folded to a cbet. It was kinda pathetic actually. I knoew its a small sample...but damn...so weak.

Basically the only way he was gonna get money out of me was coolering me as he did. Im not giving him any action 99% of the time.

[Mr_Pathetic]

fgators just is not tricky enough post-flop from what I gather.

Edit: I have been listening to sound tribe sector nine while playing poker and I have to say is pretty soothing and somewhat of a tilt preventer. you can download their shows in flac format from a place called, pm me unless its ok to post. they are a jam band so if you do not like that type of stuff they might not be for you

[Worm75]

God it's fun to run good/play good, I think my game is finally starting to come back after a 1yr hiatus. My 3rd +6 buyin day in the last 7 days.

[bknollenberg]

worm, GTFO!

[vixticator]

Wow. I am above $900 BR. Have far exceeded my expectations for month. Most of it is running well but I am making great decisions too IMO, over and over. Really, something 'clicked' in me the other day and I am making much better decisions. I think I understand the psychology of my opponents at 25nl, most adjustment have been based on exploiting their poor mistakes that they refuse to adjust.