New Fight Question

[kdotsky]

I wasn't trying to put you down. I'm really trying to point out that common knowledge of hand to hand combat is way off, and probably because most of what most people know is influenced by movies. Seriously, the phrase "larynx chop" illustrates this. Fighting doesn't work like that.

My point is there's no magic death blows. There's nothing mysterious about SEAL's hand to hand combat training. Most of it is the same mix of martial arts that UFC fighters are already experts in. They learn these because they work.

Any additional techniques they learn are probably for irrelevant scenarios, such as sneaking up behind someone.

They train relatively very little in hand to hand combat because the chances of them being in pure hand to hand combat is low. It's a last resort -- most of the time they'd at least have a knife. It's more more valuable for them to learn how to use their guns better, how to be stealthy, how to set off explosives, or whatever.

[Mickey Brausch]

For some reason, tempers are flaring over this "problem". It's getting rather personal. There must be at least a dozen ex-SEALS in the thread, and twice that number of UFC active pros. Amazing. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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The stupidity in this thread is astounding.
It makes more sense for [the SEALS) to ... use their rifle if they are out of bullets.

[/ QUOTE ]A rifle?? The SEALS are supposed to charge with a rifle??

They gotta fix bayonets first, right?

[SuperUberBob]

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any answer but Fedor is wrong.

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[Bill King]

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Since the last one was so popular, here is one that is more relevant, that I have no idea about.

In a fight to the death with no gloves inside an enclosure, rate the chances of these five:

World's best boxer

World's best karate and or other Asian martial arts.

World's most elite Navy Seal as far as hand to hand combat is concerned.

World's best real streetfighter from a gang or whatever.

World's best ultimate fighting champion

Assume fairly equal weights of course

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david this question has no answer, and i'm sure you realize this.. its an opinionated battle in which a lot of people will express their opinions and views on a subject that cant be evaluated unless the event actually happened.

i am only stating this if the fight were to happen once, over several fights.. i think it could be interesting.

[jokerthief]

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The stupidity in this thread is astounding.
It makes more sense for [the SEALS) to ... use their rifle if they are out of bullets.

[/ QUOTE ]A rifle?? The SEALS are supposed to charge with a rifle??

They gotta fix bayonets first, right?

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No, they would use it as a club. It's much better than a larynx chop and has much more KO power than a strike from a limb.

[Mickey Brausch]

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The stupidity in this thread is astounding.
It makes more sense for [the SEALS) to ... use their rifle if they are out of bullets.

[/ QUOTE ]A rifle?? The SEALS are supposed to charge with a rifle??

They gotta fix bayonets first, right?

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No, they would use it as a club.

[/ QUOTE ]Ah now it makes sense. With a poisoned butt no doubt.

[jokerthief]

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The stupidity in this thread is astounding.
It makes more sense for [the SEALS) to ... use their rifle if they are out of bullets.

[/ QUOTE ]A rifle?? The SEALS are supposed to charge with a rifle??

They gotta fix bayonets first, right?

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No, they would use it as a club.

[/ QUOTE ]Ah now it makes sense. With a poisoned butt no doubt.

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Like I said, the level of stupidity in this thead is astounding.

[Mickey Brausch]

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Like I said, the level of stupidity in this thead is astounding.

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[JBMSweden]

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A soldier knows umpeenth more ways of how to kill, wound and generally make the opponent feel bad than any martial arts champion.

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Why don't you list some of these then? Be specific.

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You're more than welcome to come to Sweden and I'll show you...
Read any army manual, soldires fortune and other junk and you'll find that most higher level soldiers knows how to kill with just a pencil...

And another poster was right - this post is absolutely ridiculous and I regret contributing...

[blackize]

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this question has no answer

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Sure it does.

The boxer doesn't know how to defend against kicks or takedowns and cant hold his own on the ground.

The streetfighter won't do very well on the ground and is not in world class athletic shape.

The SEAL is taught how to fight by the MMA guy and doesn't practice it nearly as much and is much less likely to have extensive esperience in hand to hand combat with experienced fighters. In combat he will almost always have a gun, a knife, or explosives. He doesn't get practice barfighting or anything like that either because he will be thrown out of the Navy if he gets into too many serious altercations.

Now it gets interesting.

The martial artist's chances depend on his disciplines. If he has no jiu jitsu or wrestling training he will get eaten alive if the fight moves to the ground. If he has some jiu jitsu experience and is a fantastic Tae Kwon Do practioner with some real world fighting experience(think Bloodsport) he will have a huge advantage over everyone standing up and will at least have some idea what to do on the ground. Of course this essentially makes him an MMA fighter.

The MMA fighter won't be able to stand toe to toe with the martial artist but due to kicks would be able to stand and fight the boxer. He should be able to easily handle the streetfighter and the SEAL both on foot and on the ground.

Edit: I'm also assuming that the streetfighter isn't a very good fighter or wrestler as he would have pursued a lucrative boxing, UFC, kickboxing, or wrestling career otherwise.