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Old 09-19-2007, 03:41 PM
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zgraph september

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Old 09-19-2007, 03:45 PM
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Default Re: Need a 10,000$ escrow bet held **MODS**

Graph of last ~1500 or 2000 hands?
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Old 09-19-2007, 03:46 PM
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greatest. graph. in. a. long. time.
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Old 09-19-2007, 03:46 PM
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I'll give you a hint where 50/100 was: Mountains.
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Old 09-19-2007, 03:48 PM
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what were your final 50/100 stats?
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Old 09-19-2007, 03:48 PM
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Old 09-19-2007, 03:53 PM
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what were your final 50/100 stats?

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3/6



2/4

[img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img](((((((( shoulda kept playing the guys I was playing before the 30k hand match



50/100



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Old 09-19-2007, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: Need a 10,000$ escrow bet held **MODS**

It's clear you should be playing more 50/100. What am I missing here?
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Old 09-19-2007, 07:26 PM
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Default Re: Need a 10,000$ escrow bet held **MODS**

Tx shaun for sending the 10K escrow, and gg easy ... i appreciate the voicemail confirming the forfeit and im sorry i was sleeping.

Im going to finally write a little something up now, I haven't said much at all throughout the whole match on the thread...

After easy's challenge of 30k hands I requested we play 2k more hands , i needed more of a sample before i was about to sink 30 hrs of play into a match. I calculated that my edge would come mainly from the fact that he simply wasnt aggressive enough in position - a flop not continued by him was a pot easily taken by me on the turn with a simple 1/3 bet. Conversely, i predicted that my relentless button aggression should at least prove superior in accumulated fold equity over the course of the sample when compared to his, and I calculated before the match, roughly, that this edge would be about one big blind per 5 hands. By the 10,00 0 hand mark, I was averaging +$0.90 / hand , which is actually pretty close to my original estimate, all other aspects of the match aside. Going into the match I had plotted myself as the favorite by approx $25,000 over 30K hands plus the 5k side bet.

He also had a range of about 300 on the repop PF from the BB, which is too large even for the most seasoned hu players to hold their own. The button enjoys a few different tactics vs. this wide of an OP range that can be used w/ or w/out value in +EV zones...(any bet becomes a winning bet because his value range simply isn't making up a big enough proportion of his preflop range). I utilized a 2.2x raise to his continuation bets in these lines quite often with rags, and always with draws, gaining solid fold equity while simultaneously pricing myself in to a repush at the cheapest possible cost (this is why i rigged the raise at only 2.2x, so when I'm purebluffing on a drawish flop, i can instafold with confidence knowing that I pinned him into having value). the match saw a good deal of flop allins from this sequence, so a lot of variance but def the edge toward me from all of the fold equity I gained.

toward the 10,000 hand mark, he tightened his BB repop range to about 96, a conservative (and winning) range, consisting of AK-AJ and AA-77. I countered w/ my own adjustment of calling with only suited Aces, suited connectors, PP's, and QT paint or better. Earlier, with his wider range, I was calling in with anything and just playing with the fold equity on the flop.

Around this point in the match he evolved into a different player from the BB call PF as well - he was now checkraising the majority of flops lacking the value to do so(something like 2/3 of all flops seen w/ me on the button were being checkraised by him.) Unfortunately, I have put a substantial amount of study into proper checkraise frequency and subsequent positional counters thru means of airfloating and using creative pressure on later streets. A check from him on the turn exposed his purebluff and folded him about 75% of the time, and he never really had the balls to double the turn into me w/ nothing after I called his flop checkraise, so I scraped a lot of equity off that session just by floating around and waiting for him to give up on hands that he was in too deep w/ on the BB.

Lastly, I will post this hand for easy, who at one point requested that I post "every hand that I was outplaying him on" after about the 5,000 hand mark. This is one of my favorites from the match, and it's a concept that even most good players overlook - - in situations where you have significant value, complications to the river force you to disregard that value in exchange for more winning fold equity. This is one of the hands that was labeled by easy as part of my "sick rush" earlier in the thread, around the 2nd or 3rd session:

Full Tilt Poker Game #3548212362: Table Echo (heads up) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:09:27 ET - 2007/09/13
Seat 1: GIFT_4_YOU ($927.75)
Seat 2: 20SUCKOUTZ ($1,511.10)
20SUCKOUTZ posts the small blind of $2
GIFT_4_YOU posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 20SUCKOUTZ [As 6s]
20SUCKOUTZ raises to $12
GIFT_4_YOU raises to $44
20SUCKOUTZ calls $32
*** FLOP *** [7d 3c Ac]
GIFT_4_YOU bets $60
20SUCKOUTZ calls $60
*** TURN *** [7d 3c Ac] [Jc]
GIFT_4_YOU bets $145
20SUCKOUTZ calls $145
*** RIVER *** [7d 3c Ac Jc] [Qc]
GIFT_4_YOU checks
20SUCKOUTZ has 15 seconds left to act
20SUCKOUTZ bets $498
GIFT_4_YOU: aosefhwehfwje
GIFT_4_YOU: i have set
GIFT_4_YOU: of course
GIFT_4_YOU has 15 seconds left to act
GIFT_4_YOU has requested TIME
GIFT_4_YOU folds
Uncalled bet of $498 returned to 20SUCKOUTZ
20SUCKOUTZ mucks
20SUCKOUTZ wins the pot ($497.50)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $498 | Rake $0.50
Board: [7d 3c Ac Jc Qc]
Seat 1: GIFT_4_YOU (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: 20SUCKOUTZ (small blind) collected ($497.50), mucked

hehe.

going to the turn here I view my winning chances with a boosted 20% or so in river fold equity to a club, even if he is made to the turn w/ an Ace or better. In fact, he was much better, but his river check allows me to capitalize (any club he'd be holding in his range would be either big enough to bet for value into the river, even if it were 1/3, or small enough to still fold to my push based on the discordance of my sequence -- as if to say, why am I betting into a 4club board when I've represented value already along the way, the Ax nonflush and all 2pairs and sets are simply correct in checking, for values sake, and nothing else. So if he has to take me off such a wide range of hands that wouldn't be full betting this river, but have had value along the way, It basically comes down to how often he thinks I purefloat the whole way here vs. suckout a big flush w/ additional value (something a Kcl or 10cl x hand, where X is whatever makes corresponding value with the T or K, so AxKcl or or KxKcl 10xKcl or 10x10cl for instance, - and that is a really hard number to try to pull out of your ass on the spot, which is why this sequence is so devastating.)


gg and relax on the 50/100 hu easy, u are more composed than that - at least u seem to be.
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Old 09-19-2007, 07:39 PM
T0ne D0wn T0ne D0wn is offline
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Default Re: Need a 10,000$ escrow bet held **MODS**

wow easycall, sounds like your opponent is very smart and you played someone who is clearly better then you.

Good try and hopefully there can be more of these!
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