LOTR: Return of the King (GAME THREAD)

[Nicholasp27]

el oh el

i know because i know that YOU are a wolf

the fact that aaron died means that u guys blocked me and killed aaron...if u had noticed skoob, u woulda killed him and blocked aaron, so u didn't notice skoob

u argued that if wolves knew skoob was sam/frodo, they woulda killed him...since wolves didn't kill skoob, i'm following your theory by concluding that skoob wasn't known to the wolves n2

that logically follows ur theory

[HerbieGRD]

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The wolves will make logical moves. If Nich is Aragorn, the wolves killing Gandalf is logical but a strategy that clears Nich.


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No it isn't - period under any circumstances. If you don't understand why then I know already that I cannot convince you otherwise but I swear to you NO IT IS MOST CERTAINLY NOT LOGICAL TO KILL AARON THERE REGARDLESS OF NICH'S ROLE. ESPECIALLY SINCE LUCKAY (Theoden) GOT LYNCHED THAT DAY IT IS NEVER LOGICAL TO KILL AARON THERE INSTEAD OF JUST ROLEBLOCKING HIM INTO ETERNITY.

I am not trying to be harsh but obviously if you don't accept the basic premise that killing Aaron there is -EV for the wolves under any and all circumstances then nothing I say is likely to convince you otherwise and we should just all move on with our lives.

[Nicholasp27]

if u know 100% that u can kill gandalf then u do it

a) no worries if roleblocker gets lynched

b) u can use your roleblocker each night to block your secondary seer suspect while killing your primary suspect

[Mark_K]

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Wishy-washy all-over the place random Mark IS the way to go today. Period. His role helps us determine who the real Aragorn is completely.

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BTW, I wouldn't call me wishy-washy... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I've been VERY wrong.. but not wish-washy.

[Nicholasp27]

***here we go***

let's assume for a sec that you DID notice skoob, herbie...u said urself u figured he was frodo from his non-claiming


so ur options are:

a) roleblock me/skoob and kill aaron
b) roleblock aaron/me and kill skoob

REMEMBER, there were 2 roleblocks allowed n2!

if u do a, then u get gandalf gone and u can get skoob the next day even if roleblocker is lynched
if u do b, then u get 'frodo' gone, but if roleblocker is lynched u can't get aaron...

if u really believe that skoob=frodo, not sam, u may wish to do a over b, especially if u thought roleblocker was a target soon...

however, skoob was sam, not frodo, which hurt you

also, even if skoob was frodo, sam then gets ring...so that's another peek for village...


in scenario a:

u kill gandalf and prevent 'frodo' from getting peek...then kill frodo n3...thus no peeks for village n2/n3

n3 u kill skoob and sam gets no peek

n4 u seer hunt and block 2ndary choice so 2 shots at preventing peek here



in scenario b:

u kill 'frodo' and prevent gandalf from getting peek

n3, u have to roleblock me and kill gandalf...so sam gets free peek

n4, u can seer hunt and block 2ndard choice....



so the MAJOR IMPORTANT difference in a and b is that there is no n3 peek in a, but there is in b

if u believe skoob was frodo, which u said that YOU did, then you would go with a, which is what happened


thus, the fact that aaron died doesn't help u at all...the skoob issue does not help u


sorry, herbie...game over

[Nicholasp27]

recap:

herbie's defense is that he knew skoob was frodo/sam and thus wouldn't have killed aaron if he was wolf


i just showed how even if he knew skoob was frodo/sam, he would still kill aaron n2...thus rendering his defense USELESS

[HerbieGRD]

I really have no [censored] idea how I am the leading wagon right now. For you to believe that I am the wolf here you have to believe that either

1. I made a series of abysmally poor decisions or
2. That I intentionally made a complicated and convoluted argument when there was a simple one available that was FAR more convincing and believable

For you to believe Nich is a wolf all you have to do is NOT believe him when he says "I know I am not a wolf"

This whole day is so bad its honestly painful to me.

[Nicholasp27]

to put it another way, put urself in the wolves' shoes...

u know who gandalf/aragorn/frodo are

u have 2 roleblocks

what do u do?

if u block aragorn and block frodo and kill gandalf, then gandalf is forever gone and frodo gets no peek and can be killed the following night

if u block gandalf and kill frodo, then u still gotta block aragorn and kill gandalf the next night, at which point sam is ringbearer and gets free peek

thus u have to kill gandalf first

[Nicholasp27]

[ QUOTE ]
For you to believe that I am the wolf here you have to believe that either

1. I made a series of abysmally poor decisions or
2. That I intentionally made a complicated and convoluted argument when there was a simple one available that was FAR more convincing and believable

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1. blocking me/killing aaron and then killing skoob following night was a GREAT decision...very sound

2. please state ur simple explanation that is convincing; i musta missed it


3. u can just concede now and we can all go on to focusing on other games tonite

[Jack Bando]

unvote, need to reread today at the very least.

For some reason, I can't understand today. It's like reading a history textbook for some reason.