~~~ OFFICIAL YANKEES 2007 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS OR BUST THREAD ~~~

[Triumph36]

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Igawa had a 7.3 K/9. He cant be that bad can he?

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he gives up a TON of home run balls.

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That really isn't a skill...

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o rly? his homer rates in japan aren't very good either. i don't have his FB% in front of me, but i'd expect it to be very high. i just don't get the sense this is all igawa being unlucky this year.

[Karak567]

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Igawa had a 7.3 K/9. He cant be that bad can he?

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he gives up a TON of home run balls.

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That really isn't a skill...

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o rly? his homer rates in japan aren't very good either. i don't have his FB% in front of me, but i'd expect it to be very high. i just don't get the sense this is all igawa being unlucky this year.

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50.2 %

[THAY3R]

Homers allowed is basically related to flyballs allowed, and being a flyball pitcher doesn't mean he is bad. It seems he is just running really bad. He has a good K rate, why give up on him when his value is at its lowest?

[kyleb]

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In three seasons at USC he threw 311 1-3 innings with 380 K and 105 BB.

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JEEZ

[kyleb]

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That really isn't a skill...

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Yeah it is. Pitchers can control three things: Strikeouts, walks, and home runs. Pitchers control home runs by not allowing hitters to absolutely shell them, not necessarily by depressing their flyball rates.

There are very good flyball pitchers - however, they're the ones that strike out at least 8 batters per 9ip. Flyball non-strikeout pitchers are not exactly what you want.

[Rubeskies]

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That really isn't a skill...

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Yeah it is. Pitchers can control three things: Strikeouts, walks, and home runs. Pitchers control home runs by not allowing hitters to absolutely shell them, not necessarily by depressing their flyball rates.

There are very good flyball pitchers - however, they're the ones that strike out at least 8 batters per 9ip. Flyball non-strikeout pitchers are not exactly what you want.

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Again, his K/9 rate was 7.3. That's close to 8 and it's his first year in the majors with a relatively small sample size. His K/9 could be a lot higher.

[jtg51]

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He has a good K rate, why give up on him when his value is at its lowest?

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I hate the guy, but I agree. They've paid almost $30M for him so far and he's relatively cheap in the future. Unless they can get something really useful back, which seems unlikely, this would be a dumb time to trade him.

[THAY3R]

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That really isn't a skill...

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Yeah it is. Pitchers can control three things: Strikeouts, walks, and home runs. Pitchers control home runs by not allowing hitters to absolutely shell them, not necessarily by depressing their flyball rates.

There are very good flyball pitchers - however, they're the ones that strike out at least 8 batters per 9ip. Flyball non-strikeout pitchers are not exactly what you want.

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While I agree for the most part, I would change it to "Walks, Strikeouts, and getting hit hard." Home runs allowed is much more corrollated with FB ratio than with suckiness, not to mention Igawa has a good K rate and his K rate in Japan was sick.

[Karak567]

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He has a good K rate, why give up on him when his value is at its lowest?

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I hate the guy, but I agree. They've paid almost $30M for him so far and he's relatively cheap in the future. Unless they can get something really useful back, which seems unlikely, this would be a dumb time to trade him.

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would you take cla meredith for him assuming the yankees dont have to pay any part of igawa's remaining contract?

[THAY3R]

In a heartbeat.


Edwar and Cla, mmmm....