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08-25-2005, 10:50 AM
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Re: DERB
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Don't ever run bad. Party 30/60 player: {{Hands 73,824 - VIP 30 - R 17 - NF 21 - ag 2.0 Total winnings: $114,281 Routinely 3 bets small pocket pairs from bb, caps certainly dominated hands. Fishy? [/ QUOTE ] Doesn't this include mostly shorthanded play? 
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#2
08-25-2005, 05:36 PM
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Re: DERB
</font><blockquote><font class="small">En réponse à:</font><hr />
</font><blockquote><font class="small">En réponse à:</font><hr /> Don't ever run bad. Party 30/60 player: {{Hands 73,824 - VIP 30 - R 17 - NF 21 - ag 2.0 Total winnings: $114,281 Routinely 3 bets small pocket pairs from bb, caps certainly dominated hands. Fishy? [/ QUOTE ] Doesn't this include mostly shorthanded play? [/ QUOTE ] No, he has only recently become a SH player. These stats are from back in the day.
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#4
08-26-2005, 12:49 AM
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Re: DERB
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Don't ever run bad. Party 30/60 player: {{Hands 73,824 - VIP 30 - R 17 - NF 21 - ag 2.0 Total winnings: $114,281 Routinely 3 bets small pocket pairs from bb, caps certainly dominated hands. Fishy? [/ QUOTE ] Doesn't this include mostly shorthanded play? [/ QUOTE ] No, he has only recently become a SH player. These stats are from back in the day. [/ QUOTE ] Ryan's got his finger on the pulse of the IGC.
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#6
08-26-2005, 01:39 AM
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Re: DERB
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damnit! what is the friggin screenname? someone just say it, god this is so dumb. [/ QUOTE ] Lojzka: Summary for $30/60 Limit Hands Played 31128 VP$IP 29.47% BB/100 1.01 Preflop Raise 18.02% PreflopAggression 1.57 PostflopAggression 2.78 Folded SB to Steal 70.26% Folded BB to Steal 33.98% Attempted to Steal 45.4%
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#7
08-26-2005, 06:53 PM
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Re: DERB
Oh god no. It's back.
As long as this thread is up, does anybody have a decent sample of this guys hands SINCE this thread started? Interesting personal update... I have argued by stats that this guy is probably just lucky many times. Since then, I've had the pleasure of sitting with in a shorthanded 30/60 game with DERB and watching him play. I found him to be very reasonable, and while aggressive, a solid player. One thing I noticed him do often was folding the river for 1 bet in spots where I think most people would have paid off. If he's doing this based on player specific information, then I think DERB could in fact be a winner (though certainly still running well at the time this thread originated). I know others have crazy hands for him, but I haven't seen anything personally to suggest he must be losing and is 4 standard devs away from his true win rate. 1 - 2 BB / 100 feels about right. He does get involved with the weak players a lot, and his aggressiveness pays off against the right opponents. my 2 cents. Eric
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#8
08-26-2005, 09:43 PM
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Re: DERB
Now that I know who you guys are talking about...
I don't think he's lucky or cheating. I thought he was a fish at first, but after enough hands with him I'd guess he's a very talented hand reader who gets away with loose pre-flop play because he's much better than average at post-flop. Plus, he plays the metagame well and adjusts his play to individuals. As Eric pointed out, he makes the maximum from weak players. I'm betting he's one of those "naturals" and has probably written some custom PT-type statistical tools to help himself adjust to specific players. I know he made considerable adjustments when playing against my girlfriend (who kills the party 30-60). She was thrashing him in the beginning but he changed his play against her just like you're supposed to. We thought he was just getting lucky until we went over the hands carefully. She'll get up from the table when he sits down now, and she's by far and away the best postflop player I know. I call him the Borg. On the other hand, maybe he's just a lucky fish.
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#9
08-26-2005, 11:27 PM
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Re: DERB
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Now that I know who you guys are talking about... I don't think he's lucky or cheating. I thought he was a fish at first, but after enough hands with him I'd guess he's a very talented hand reader who gets away with loose pre-flop play because he's much better than average at post-flop. Plus, he plays the metagame well and adjusts his play to individuals. As Eric pointed out, he makes the maximum from weak players. I'm betting he's one of those "naturals" and has probably written some custom PT-type statistical tools to help himself adjust to specific players. I know he made considerable adjustments when playing against my girlfriend (who kills the party 30-60). She was thrashing him in the beginning but he changed his play against her just like you're supposed to. We thought he was just getting lucky until we went over the hands carefully. She'll get up from the table when he sits down now, and she's by far and away the best postflop player I know. I call him the Borg. On the other hand, maybe he's just a lucky fish. [/ QUOTE ] I haven't found that he hand reads even remotely well. He usually horribly overplays his hand and then hits his miracle. But that's just against me, so I can't speak for other's experience with him.
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#10
08-26-2005, 11:30 PM
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Re: DERB
In fact, this basically describes my experience with all the guys who have PFR%'s higher than my VPIP.
I really don't understand how they don't go broke, but there they are night after night, 4-8 tabling the full games. I wish someone would explain it to me, because I feel like I may be playing poker backwards if these guys can win. Nigel
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