"Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers?

[pkrporcupine]

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... I was in the payout room with Jerry as a representative for the dealers....

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huh? Perhaps someone could explain what 'dealers interests' she was representing in the payout room. I mean, Yang wins, yeehaw, praise the lord(literally), congratulations all around, presentations, photo ops, and then Yang, along with CF as his advisor, enters the payout room to be met with... the dealer from the final table? Was she there to hand over the cash/check/chips? Was she there attempting some sort of moral suasion, sublte pressure for an extra tip, or was she there to make sure Harrahs didn't pocket any extra tip that he might inadventantly offer?

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on all large payouts they have a dealer present just for the simple fact tat alot of dealers think that the td's pocket their tokes. also chris was invited by oliver, jerry's new manager, not jerry

[StuckaRack]

Asking a Hippie how much to tip = [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Dealers [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[rafiki]

I'm never tipping WSOP again. And neither will my friends. Glad I've been reading all this.

[pkrporcupine]

wonderful, im sure there is a seat open at the venetian just waiting to be filled by you

[El Diablo]

pkrp,

"there is no right answer to your questions on pay"

Two simple questions.

What do you think a fair and reasonable wage is for dealing the 11-day period of the Main Event?

What do you think a fair and reasonable wage is for dealing the entire World Series from start to finish?

Thanks.

[Number27]

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Zero is the correct number. Ferguson and other big pros were criticized by some idiot at my 1/2 NL cash game table in Seneca Niagara for leaving only a collective $5 in tips during a cash game on some cruise boat that the idiot worked on or with. The idiot was in THEIR cash game and criticized them for not tipping much, and they asked him to leave the game.

The idiot came off as an 'arrogant know-it-all American' (and that's an insult to all you fine Americans, but I'm trying to paint a picture here). The goof continued to lecture us at the 1/2 NL table by lecturing, "if you don't tip, you can't afford to play at this table". Meanwhile, the poor beginner to my right is recently occupationally disabled and asking for advice as to how to make a living at this game from us.

Lastly, if any tipping is going on, give it to the other players who played, lol, us players have to stick together... ha ha ha... (unless service is extraordinary, and tips unpooled).

The best idea ever never gets any traction: tell all dealers that you are donating to a fund to annually award the best dealer in North America $100M for being the most proficient and effective... then set up an organization that does this. Sell buttons, organize judges, audits, etc. convince a rakefree poker site to protect and collect the money, all voluntary. Why? So the players and the dealers win. The casinos would have to cough up more money to keep them there and we'll have hedge fund managers vying for that cool $100M. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Hope you like getting 12 hands an hour.

[pkrporcupine]

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pkrp,

"there is no right answer to your questions on pay"

Two simple questions.

What do you think a fair and reasonable wage is for dealing the 11-day period of the Main Event?

What do you think a fair and reasonable wage is for dealing the entire World Series from start to finish?

Thanks.

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yet again there is no right answer here. i have always been happy with what i leave town with at the end of the summer and i will be this year too. whatever number i say here will only create more feul to the fire and i refuse to be your punching bag any further. also i am in a position that i will be walking away with a much larger pay than the majority of the dealers(all of the final table dealers will be) so i will not disclose my pay for that reason also.

[Number27]

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pkrp,

"there is no right answer to your questions on pay"

Two simple questions.

What do you think a fair and reasonable wage is for dealing the 11-day period of the Main Event?

What do you think a fair and reasonable wage is for dealing the entire World Series from start to finish?

Thanks.

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El D, is this before or after the dealer has to pay for airfare and room and board for six weeks?

[El Diablo]

pkrp: If we as players have no idea whether you are underpaid or overpaid, how can we make an informed decision as to whether or not to tip beyond what is withheld? Some people have estimated about 10,000 dealer hours. I just did a quick guesstimate at 6000hrs for Day 1, 2000 hours for Day 2, 700 hours for Day 3, and less than that each of the other days. If it's 10,000 hours total and the tip pool for dealers was $700,000, that's $70/hr in tips. If a dealer gets 6 hours of work for 5 days during that period, that's $2100 in tips alone, plus $200-300 from Harrah's (depending on who you believe). A dealer who deals 6-hours each of the 11 days would make over $5000 for the ME. Plus pay and tips for any cash games they deal. Players simply want to understand the real numbers in play here before making tipping decisions.

N: Doesn't matter. The only relevant number to tournament players is how much money it takes to get good dealers to come out and deal the tournaments. I'd assume that dealers would take into account all relevant expenses involved before stating a figure that makes it attractive to them.

[El Diablo]

pkrp,

"so i will not disclose my pay for that reason also."

I am not asking you to disclose your pay.

I am simply asking you what you think are fair wages for dealers to be paid so that good dealers will continue to come out to deal the Series.