STTF SNG->cash thread

[futuredoc85]

3-bet flop, too many turns kill your action/put you behind

[Josem]

three-bet flop.

when villain raises on the flop, he thinks your range is much wider than KK+


i guess you would have to fold to a flop push though, as i can't imagine a 4-bet much wider than sets.

if villain is 19/17, his pre-flop *calling* range is extremely narrow - what 2% of hands would you call a pre-flop raise with? TT? 99? 22?

[futuredoc85]

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three-bet flop.

when villain raises on the flop, he thinks your range is much wider than KK+


i guess you would have to fold to a flop push though, as i can't imagine a 4-bet much wider than sets.

if villain is 19/17, his pre-flop *calling* range is extremely narrow - what 2% of hands would you call a pre-flop raise with? TT? 99? 22?

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the reason we are 3-betting is for value against the draws he can have here. 222 is the only hand that beats us (19/17 should almost never be flatcalling 99/TT preflop. If we 3-bet we have to call a shove b/c of the odds we'll be getting + the fact that we will be ahead quite often. 3-bet folding is turning KK into a pure bluff.

[Kibby]

Standard, right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 ($91.30)
MP3 ($106.75)
CO ($65.15)
Button ($35.45)
SB ($93.85)
Hero ($109.20)
UTG ($74.95)
UTG+1 ($100.80)
MP1 ($110.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($8) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, MP2 folds, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $107.2</font>, SB calls $83.85 (All-In).

Turn: ($207.05) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($207.05) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $207.05

[futuredoc85]

i responded in SSNL but ill give more detail here. On the flop you need to bet more than 1/2 pot. any made hand is going to bet closer to pot-size to protect, so you are narrowing your range a ton by betting so small. when he minraises make it $24-$32 to go, he will put money in with a wider range vs that raise than he will an overbet-shove. You are folding out some hands that probably would have shoved over your raise looking for some FE, namely AhX.

[ManChild]

Please only comment on PF ( i should have folded) if you are going to comment on other aspects of the hand as well

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($100)
UTG ($215.30)
MP ($50.75)
Button ($98.05)
Hero ($107.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $3, MP calls $3.

Turn: ($13) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] b]Turn:[/b] ($13) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $17</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $25.5</font>, Hero ???

[futuredoc85]

pf is fine either way if im paying attn (not on too many tables) and/or if any of the limpers suck ill complete this fairly often. Flop is fine also. Turn is a fold, they both limped pf, 3 diff small pairs now have sets, neither has an overpair, and even if UTG can have a J MP almost never does.

[Pudge714]

Bhokie,
V-bet river with AQ.

Kibby,
Bet more on flop.

ManChild,
Fold turn.

[futuredoc85]

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So I decided to screw around with NL Cash full ring. I started small since I'm clueless.

This was maybe my 5th hand so I really have no reads.

How's my line

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($9.50)
Hero ($14.65)
MP3 ($24.65)
CO ($7.05)
Button ($9.95)
SB ($24.75)
BB ($4.65)
UTG ($10.10)
UTG+1 ($3.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $1.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $1.25, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($5.10) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $1.5</font>, Hero calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50.

Turn: ($9.60) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $0.75 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75.

River: ($11.85) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $6.2</font>, Hero calls $3.20.

Final Pot: $24.25
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: $11.85, between Hero, Button and UTG+1.</font>
<font color="#009B00">Pot 2: $12.40, between Hero and Button.</font>

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just put him all in on the river

[futuredoc85]

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Bhokie,
V-bet river with AQ.

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more on turn also