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Old 04-21-2006, 01:53 PM
Ra_ Ra_ is offline
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Default Re: Noob Question #2: Unraised pot from SB. Flop is OK.

I lead the OESDs and FDs, dont lead middle pairs, only lead top pairs against tighter players.
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:10 PM
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Default Re: Noob Question #2: Unraised pot from SB. Flop is OK.

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I lead the OESDs and FDs, dont lead middle pairs, only lead top pairs against tighter players.

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i do this, and I also check/call the KK7 hand, its unlikely he has a K, and I might be able to extract some river value if the turn checks. keep in mind trips like to slowplay at small stakes.
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:18 PM
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Default Re: Noob Question #2: Unraised pot from SB. Flop is OK.

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I lead the OESDs and FDs, dont lead middle pairs, only lead top pairs against tighter players.

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i do this, and I also check/call the KK7 hand, its unlikely he has a K, and I might be able to extract some river value if the turn checks. keep in mind trips like to slowplay at small stakes.

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On leading draws, what's the plan for a reraise of say 3x pot additional?
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:22 PM
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Default Re: Noob Question #2: Unraised pot from SB. Flop is OK.

a reraise of 3x pot? dude muck that faster than a fat guy drinks a milkshake

a PSR completely depends on reads, my estimation of implied odds, board texture, the strength of my draw, etc. it can easily be a fold. this is actually one of my leaks - sometimes I get too addicted to implied odds and chase too much.
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: Noob Question #2: Unraised pot from SB. Flop is OK.

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a reraise of 3x pot? dude muck that faster than a fat guy drinks a milkshake

a PSR completely depends on reads, my estimation of implied odds, board texture, the strength of my draw, etc. it can easily be a fold. this is actually one of my leaks - sometimes I get too addicted to implied odds and chase too much.

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My bad, got in a hurry and screwed up size.

But I really struggle with leading here and having someone come over the top. I make the call, turn blanks, what now?

This is why I like the check to see if anyone is going to get fiesty with this hand before I commit anymore $'s.
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:29 PM
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Default Re: Noob Question #2: Unraised pot from SB. Flop is OK.

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I lead the OESDs and FDs, dont lead middle pairs, only lead top pairs against tighter players.

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i do this, and I also check/call the KK7 hand, its unlikely he has a K, and I might be able to extract some river value if the turn checks. keep in mind trips like to slowplay at small stakes.

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On leading draws, what's the plan for a reraise of say 3x pot additional?

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ALL IN

No seriously, who makes a 3xPSR? Call a sensible raise most of the time. Usually they call or minraise which is fine.
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:06 PM
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Default Re: Noob Question #2: Unraised pot from SB. Flop is OK.

Gotta learn 6max someday, might as well be now...

You guys really complete SB with junk like 97s and just two limpers? Yuck. If you hit the flop, you get to play a draw OOP; yuck++. Do you do the same with 53s?
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Old 04-21-2006, 02:17 PM
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Default Re: Noob Question #2: Unraised pot from SB. Flop is OK.

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Assumptions:

- 6-max
- Everyone has full buy-in
- Players are unknown

2 players limp.
You complete with 97s in the SB. BB checks.
4 BBs in the pot.

Flop comes K94r. Your action.......
Check/fold. If checked through, but bet <8.

Flop comes Q86r. Your action.......
Bet, probably 1/2 pot.

Flop comes K65r. Your action.......
Check/fold, chase GSD with odds(but we wont get them)

Flop comes T94r. Your action.......
Bet turn if checked through otherwise c/f flop.

Flop comes AQ5 and you have a 4-flush. Your action.......
bet 1/2 pot.

Flop comes KK7r. Your action.......
bet 1/2 pot most likly

Flop comes 964r. Your action.......
bet 1/2 pot lol

Flop comes 843 and you have a 4-flush. Your action......
Bet 1/2 pot lol...

IMPORTANT: How do your answers change if there is only 1 limper?
I'll bet more heads up most likly to take it down there.

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edited to add:

my bet %'s i.e. 50%(1/2) or 75%(3/4) vary and ill have reads of what my opponents are folding to or how tight the tables is. This will be of major importance when i do bet.

SOme draws on some tables i may check, why bet when i can get a free card? i.e. loose passive tables.

ALSO: When betting draws it can not be wise as if your raised you must fold w/o odds. Sometimes ill c/c draws for this reason.
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