Story of a mid-pair

[Preytar]

Grunch:

Bet the flop. Call a raise and a reraise if it comes as we are drawing to 2 outs (9's) and would be getting proper odds to call either especially if more than 2 come along for the raise.

As you played it, check/fold the turn. We are drawing slim (2 outs) to an opponent’s 6, pocket 2's, pocket 4's or overpair, and the pot and implied odds aren't laying us the price we need to see the river.

Brian

Edited to add "check/" in the final paragraph.

[lord_li]

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What is villain's 3-betting range? If I had seen him 3-bet with a big A once I would check-raise the flop and lead the turn.

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Well it was the first 3 bet i'd seen from him for over two hours. I obviously put him on a big pair feeling he was going for the check-raise on the flop.

Was that MUBS?

[Leobzook]

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Yeah, almost everyone has the odds to call but it sure is better than giving out free cards when we probably have the best hand here.

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why not wait until the turn when our equity could get bigger or get pretty much destroyed? or is that a different situation?

[Magellan]

You raised pre-flop, you have an overpair on the flop that is vulnerable to overcards falling, so bet for value and hopefully protection depending on the action. You really want to knock people out here. It would have been great if you led and MP2 raised.

Lead the turn.

Looks like BB sucked out on you here (river), precisely why you wanted him gone earlier. If he hadn't 3-bet PF I probably call his donk, but as it panned out I'm laying it down.

Also, I'm not a big fan of raising 99 UTG.

[Magellan]

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why not wait until the turn when our equity could get bigger or get pretty much destroyed? or is that a different situation?

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We also increase our equity by knocking out opponents. We quite likely have the best hand so we want people paying us off here, and we don't want to freeroll their draws. With BB being the only other player showing aggro PF this could have checked through which is no good.

[nerdking]

grunch

WHY IN THE HOLY HELLFIRE ARE YOU NOT BETTING THAT FLOP!!!

This entire hand is WAAAAAAY too weak passive.

You bet PF, now bet the flop, bet the turn, and be careful of the river. I'd go so far as to check call the river.

BetBetBet. When you get done doing that, bet some more.

[Magellan]

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BB had a history of check raising, stopped me from betting there.
Think I should of gone ahead anyway?

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The question is, what hands had BB c/ring under what circumstances? This is the sort of thing you want to be putting in your notes.

[Leobzook]

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We also increase our equity by knocking out opponents. We quite likely have the best hand so we want people paying us off here, and we don't want to freeroll their draws.

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We also increase our equity by knocking out opponents.

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How can you knock anyone out when your bet will give everyone at least 19 to 1 pot odds? Even if someone raises right behind us everyone is still getting over 10 to 1.

doesnt SSHE say you can forego a small equity edge on the flop if it becomes bigger on the turn with a favourable card? And in this example a lot of cards are bad on the turn.

[kerowo]

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We also increase our equity by knocking out opponents. We quite likely have the best hand so we want people paying us off here, and we don't want to freeroll their draws.

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We also increase our equity by knocking out opponents.

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How can you knock anyone out when your bet will give everyone at least 19 to 1 pot odds? Even if someone raises right behind us everyone is still getting over 10 to 1.

doesnt SSHE say you can forego a small equity edge on the flop if it becomes bigger on the turn with a favourable card? And in this example a lot of cards are bad on the turn.

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Not everyone reads SSHE and when they see a pfr c/r or raise the flop after the pf 3-better bet they figure they should just get out of the way.

[Magellan]

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How can you knock anyone out when your bet will give everyone at least 19 to 1 pot odds? Even if someone raises right behind us everyone is still getting over 10 to 1.

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Yet 2 opponents folded for 1 bet. Don't assume everyone is reading SSH and posting here, give them the chance to be dumb.

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doesnt SSHE say you can forego a small equity edge on the flop if it becomes bigger on the turn with a favourable card? And in this example a lot of cards are bad on the turn.

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I'm pretty sure that this is regarding whether to raise the flop or wait for the turn to raise, not whether to possibly have the flop checked through. I couldn't see SSH endorsing having a flop checked through when we hold an overpair and possibly the best hand.