Blackjack, can you win without counting?

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There used to be some single deck S17 DAS games in Colorado. There may still be a few, but I haven't looked lately. Of course Colorado is $5 max bet, so your EV is less than a dollar an hour, so if you tip a dollar more than once an hour the game is -EV, but + EV for the dealer.

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Or you can bet $250 a hand and push that rate up to $35/hour.

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Yeah. And to get a decently low ROR, you'd only need a bankroll of like $75,000 or so.

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A lot higher than that.

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Now that's an astute observation-lol.

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you can also cut your edge down by placing bets for other players at the same table if they choose not to do it themselves, such as buying profitable double downs and splits

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This is allowed?

[spikeanut]

there's actually a BJ game in California that I believe is really +EV. The dealer stands on soft 17, 5 decks, player can surrender anytime, and double down anytime. Craziest thing I've ever seen. Meaning, if I get a 3 and 2 in the hole, and a face card on the next card, I can elect to surrender at that moment, likewise, if I have a 2 and 3, and get a 6 next card, I may DD if I wanted to. Everyone around socal should go play BJ at Hawaiian Gardens Casino...relatively small casino, but you can't beat those BJ odds.

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Is that one of those games where you pay an ante to play a hand? I know the California Indian casinos at one point (I dont know if they still do or not) couldnt win money from gambling on card games, but could collect an ante to play a hand to make their money. That meant that the games had to be designed to be EV neutral, and they did it with crazy rules like this and hand bonuses. The game was still -EV because you had to pay the ante to play.

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At .14%, if you bet $25/hand and get in 100 hands/hour, you'll average a whopping $3.50/hour.


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Time to quit my job and move on out to Louisiana.


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Well, it might not be a quite a living ... but even so, 3.5/hr will probably go a lot further in louisiana than wherever you are now ...

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That sounds too good to be true. Are you sure this isn't Spanish 21 (no tens in the deck) or 6:5 blackjack payout? There has to be a catch.

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Is that one of those games where you pay an ante to play a hand? I know the California Indian casinos at one point (I dont know if they still do or not) couldnt win money from gambling on card games, but could collect an ante to play a hand to make their money. That meant that the games had to be designed to be EV neutral, and they did it with crazy rules like this and hand bonuses. The game was still -EV because you had to pay the ante to play.

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I'm pretty sure the California Indian casinos have been allowed to run house banked blackjack for a few years. But I suspect there is something that offsetes (or more likely more than offsets) the apparently juicy rules. It might be 6:5 blackjack, or something equally sucky.

[Dennisa]

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Is that one of those games where you pay an ante to play a hand? I know the California Indian casinos at one point (I dont know if they still do or not) couldnt win money from gambling on card games, but could collect an ante to play a hand to make their money. That meant that the games had to be designed to be EV neutral, and they did it with crazy rules like this and hand bonuses. The game was still -EV because you had to pay the ante to play.

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I'm pretty sure the California Indian casinos have been allowed to run house banked blackjack for a few years. But I suspect there is something that offsetes (or more likely more than offsets) the apparently juicy rules. It might be 6:5 blackjack, or something equally sucky.

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Hawiian Gardens is not an Indian Casino, so it not a house banked game.