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#11
12-05-2005, 07:40 PM
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Re: QQ against known 2+2 player - non-standard ? line
If you are willing to call with QQ in this spot you have to be willing to call with something like 8-9 against this opponent.
You can avoid this river decision by raising turn. Given the way the hand was played I probably flip a coin on whether i call/fold river. 
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#12
12-05-2005, 07:41 PM
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Re: QQ against known 2+2 player - non-standard ? line
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This vs Acehistation? I'd probably push turn. River is gross, since he might play Ax hands this way. [/ QUOTE ] Bingo ! I'm fine with your advice of pushing the turn, but why ?
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#13
12-05-2005, 07:44 PM
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Re: QQ against known 2+2 player - non-standard ? line
push turn because your hand is disguised and so is his...thus you have no idea how live he is...if for some reason i knew this was a way ahead way behind situation i would gladly call turn and let him push river and call river...but you don't know...he could have A-7 of clubs or something like that...not to mention pot is big enough to take down at this point.
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#14
12-05-2005, 07:45 PM
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Re: QQ against known 2+2 player - non-standard ? line
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If you are willing to call with QQ in this spot you have to be willing to call with something like 8-9 against this opponent. [/ QUOTE ] Am I nuts that I think 99-JJ makes up a decent part of his range?
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#15
12-05-2005, 07:45 PM
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Re: QQ against known 2+2 player - non-standard ? line
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[ QUOTE ] This vs Acehistation? I'd probably push turn. River is gross, since he might play Ax hands this way. [/ QUOTE ] Bingo ! I'm fine with your advice of pushing the turn, but why ? [/ QUOTE ] Because you typically don't slowplay sets, so he may look you up with a wide range of hands, since pot is big, and it may look like you are trying to push him off a hand.
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#16
12-05-2005, 07:48 PM
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Re: QQ against known 2+2 player - non-standard ? line
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push turn because your hand is disguised and so is his...thus you have no idea how live he is...if for some reason i knew this was a way ahead way behind situation i would gladly call turn and let him push river and call river...but you don't know...he could have A-7 of clubs or something like that...not to mention pot is big enough to take down at this point. [/ QUOTE ] As he had raised UTG, his range of hands is not that wide I think.
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#18
12-05-2005, 07:53 PM
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Re: QQ against known 2+2 player - non-standard ? line
Really? I'd put him on a straight or a set ahead of an overpair. And then definitely a small overpair before a big one.
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#20
12-05-2005, 08:14 PM
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Re: QQ against known 2+2 player - non-standard ? line
Why? Once he flat calls the flop, why wouldn't he flat call the turn? PFR is going balls to the walls, so why try to slow him down? The whole point of rope-a-dope is letting him keep the initiative. Pushing the turn goes completely against the intuition behind the flop flat call. And if you flat call the turn and the river totally blanks you can get the awesome ace high call when you push with your "missed straight draw".
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