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Old 03-28-2006, 12:57 PM
DWarrior DWarrior is offline
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Anyone want to drop a link to the software that revives data-mining for us Partyers? I don't have the patience to sift through the tech section, but it's relevant to this thread.

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http://www.pokertracker.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11689

Apparently it's a bit screwy on dual core processors.
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:00 PM
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PT+PAHud, more reliable way to get tells on opponents.

You should memorize the odds and a bunch of other random ones (I should probably review these, but about a year ago I memorized the odds of flopping a set with PP, the odds of flopping a straight with connectors or flush with suited cards, odds of A flopping and someone holding an A when you got KK, stuff like that). I think memorizing at least this much shows a level of dedication to learning the game.

I think starting hands is a good idea to at least think about. For example, you get AKo UTG, why should you raise it? For me, it's a value bet against the fish who'll call with worse A, and taking control of the hand allowing me to win the pot if nobody improves. I don't re-raise with AK, despite what many books suggest, because I don't believe it adds any deception to my game (as many SS players either don't pay enough attention or will automatically assume you re-raise AA-QQ+AK) and in the weak/tight field of online poker, re-raising AK I believe is -EV.

A little while back I made basic starting hands chart and looked at what % of hands it would be (what my VP$IP and PFR would be if I used that). Although it's not the real stats (as I also take shots at blinds, raise to isolate, fold to a rock, etc.), it's a pretty good estimate erring on the conservative side.

I don't believe it's a good idea to use a starting hand chart during play because it's the wrong direction to go in. In general, you want to think about your game away from the table and execute your system at the table (you may experience eureka during a session and unlock a new concept, but that's an exception to the "rule"). I believe using hand charts and Texas Calculatem mixes the two and will steer you to the wrong path.

That being said, I still only play at $100nl.

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This is exactly what I was looking for - do you have a link to such a chart? I found one on Absolute's website, but I don't think it's as detailed as I'd like.


Also - does PT have it's own Datamining program for most websites, or is that a totally seperate program? Or is it just as simple as opening up PT and having it running while your Poker Site Software is open at the tables you normally play? (PT Newbie still)
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:03 PM
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Many thanks, DWarrior.
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:43 PM
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I can't play without multitablehelper anymore. Although, it does cause one serious misclick every 500 hands or so (avoidable, if you pay attention before you enter a bet amount, but I am lazy). So far, the misclicks have helped more than hurt. I accidentally raised to 22$ (meant to bet 2$) from the SB with ATo. BB tanked and pushed for 30 more. I called, and won with A high vs. KQs. But the software is awesome, especially with a wireless keyboard.

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Never heard of this program - link?
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:46 PM
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Grunch I'm looking into PokerOffice. What are your thoughts on it?
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:53 PM
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Default Re: What \"Tools\" Do You Use?

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Anyone want to drop a link to the software that revives data-mining for us Partyers? I don't have the patience to sift through the tech section, but it's relevant to this thread.

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Is this software legal, or is Party going to ban us if we try it?

Sorry...
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Old 03-28-2006, 02:03 PM
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what about on full tilt. even when sitting at a table your hand history doesnt record until you play your first hand and i would like to be able to build a larger data base. is there a site to go to to have observed hands recorded? searched but found nothing
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Old 03-28-2006, 02:07 PM
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Can someone explain the 2/4 rule to me?
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Old 03-28-2006, 02:10 PM
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Can someone explain the 2/4 rule to me?

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It's easy: count your outs. The probability of hitting on the turn is roughly (2xOuts)%, and the probability of hitting on the turn and river both is (4xOuts)%. In other words, if you've got 5 outs to improve (pair, ace kicker), your chance of improving on the turn is roughly 2x5 10%, and by the river it's roughly 4x5 = 20%.
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Old 03-28-2006, 02:12 PM
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Can someone explain the 2/4 rule to me?

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If you have two cards to come, you count your # of outs (OESD=8) and multiply by 4 to get the % of times you will hit, in this case 32% which is about 2:1 odds, and then you use that to determine if your pot odds are correct.
If you have one card to come, or you want a more accurate pot-odd answer, you multiply by 2 to get 16% or 5:1 odds

Least that's my understanding
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