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#11
11-15-2007, 03:47 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
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[ QUOTE ] call IP>4bet. [/ QUOTE ] not with a8s imo [/ QUOTE ] whys that? 
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#13
11-15-2007, 03:49 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] call IP>4bet. [/ QUOTE ] not with a8s imo [/ QUOTE ] whys that? [/ QUOTE ] cause if the ace flops and he has an ace you will lose a lot of $ and if he doesnt he wont lose much, imo
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#15
11-15-2007, 03:59 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] call IP>4bet. [/ QUOTE ] not with a8s imo [/ QUOTE ] whys that? [/ QUOTE ] cause if he has an ace you will lose a lot of $ and he doesnt he wont loses much, imo [/ QUOTE ] all that matters is if we are ahead of his 3betting range. The "dominated" argument doesn't hold true as much these days because so many people 3bet with much more than Ax type hands/premiums. Also citing one scenario as the lone basis for 4betting over calling is pretty illogical. All that matters is hand ranges.
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#16
11-15-2007, 04:04 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
its not only that we are dominated, its that by calling with this hand we will be extremly difficult position once we see the flop and will put us in a situation where its very hard to play properly
and I do not think a8 plays good vs his range at all
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#17
11-15-2007, 04:09 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
I like 4-betting with Ax hands (instead of calling) for another reason. The combinatorics make it slightly less likely that he has AA/AK/AQ and is just going to shove right back over you. Another benefit is that people almost never just call 4-bets with AK/AQ so you know if an ace flops there's a good chance you're good against QQ or whatever.
As played, I'd just check it back and evaluate on the turn.
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#18
11-15-2007, 04:10 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
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its not only that we are dominated, its that by calling with this hand we will be extremly difficult position once we see the flop and will put us in a situation where its very hard to play properly and I do not think a8 plays good vs his range at all [/ QUOTE ] You never call people light in 3bet pots IP? By not calling this pf you are extremely exploitable. 4betting isn't bad but this hand has value and now it doesn't. Also give villain a proper 3betting range please?
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#20
11-15-2007, 04:13 PM
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Re: I 4bet with A8s
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its not only that we are dominated, its that by calling with this hand we will be extremly difficult position once we see the flop and will put us in a situation where its very hard to play properly and I do not think a8 plays good vs his range at all [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this. It's irrelevant whether or not A8 is above his hand range. Postflop is what matters, and A8 plays pretty poorly postflop. Its 'value' flops are scare flops that are good for shoving people off hands - not getting value.
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