Social Darwinism and Morals

[tarheeljks]

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This guy isn't a logical thinker. His premises are probably so far gone that a psychological approach is superior to a logical approach.

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How can you say that he isn't a logical thinker, but still it makes no sense to try to find mistakes in his logic?

Also, I think many, many people are oversimplifying this, when it's a very complex thing.

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it's an issue of soundness not validity-- his master morality probably falls in line with his psycho premises, but breaking down his logic isn't going to make him see he's crazy.

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Maybe the biggest mistake was that he thought almost all others are pretty much robots then, and compared to us he is "godlike" (although he only slightly overvalues his own skills, which is not abnormal), as he said. When in fact others are much more like him than he thought.

It has to be said that that isn't very weird either (although it was stronger in him than most emos and other people, I guess), after all many people think animals are not self-aware.

[bluesbassman]

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Here in Finland we had this guy that went to shoot 8 people in the name of natural selection, and then himself.

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That's no different than shooting people in the name of the uncertainty principle, or in the name of the inflationary period after the big bang. In other words, it's sheer lunacy.


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He decided he had abandoned slave morality and created himself a master morality which is based on natural selection. He also described this as "going through synthesis and becoming an overman". (He also said he had "refined" some of Nietzsche's ideas, so he seems to define an overman as someone who creates his own morality and thinks about philosophy and existentialism.)


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Yep, raving lunacy.

[Yet more lunacy snipped for brevity.]

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However, when he went to do the shooting, it seems that he started to feel pity for the victims, he shot a few first and then started to let people live, he also didn't shoot nearly all his bullets.

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Seems as though his mentally ill brain still harbored the remnants of his humanity, which somewhat came to fore when he started killing people.

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Now it seems to me that the big logical problem here is, that he only thought he had achieved this "master morality", when truely he had not and was really thinking like he used to deep inside. Is this a valid argument?

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I don't have a clue what you are trying to say, or what is your argument here. I will say it's silly to attempt to deconstruct any logical "reasons" for this act, or from the deranged ranting of this type of killer.

[Archon_Wing]

Have you noticed how most murderous philosophies are pretty self-serving? And he might have started feeling sorry because he realized the obvious that he was wrong, but it's quite uncomfortable to admit one's own mistakes-- people will often come up with the shoddiest reasoning to defend their actions. :/ In any case, logic just doesn't work on some people when they are just consumed by their own insanity.

And of course seeing yourself as a rational and intelligent thinker means nothing, as we can see of the many people who think that. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[lucksack]

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Now it seems to me that the big logical problem here is, that he only thought he had achieved this "master morality", when truely he had not and was really thinking like he used to deep inside. Is this a valid argument?

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I don't have a clue what you are trying to say, or what is your argument here. I will say it's silly to attempt to deconstruct any logical "reasons" for this act, or from the deranged ranting of this type of killer.

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I'm trying to say that he thought others (outside his own group) don't matter to him morally, and that it wasn't really true, since he only wanted to achieve this "master morality"(=others not having value) because he wanted to feel superior to others in every possible way.