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#11
11-12-2007, 08:02 PM
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Re: OESFD OOP
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ohhh, so even if villain doesn't put another dime in on the river, we have odds to call? didn't do the math. [/ QUOTE ] Yup [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] If he flipped his cards over and showed a set, we should call. If he flipped his cards over and showed 2 pair, we should still call. If he showed us a straight we should fold. Factoring all of these combinations together makes it an easy call. 
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#12
11-12-2007, 08:03 PM
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Re: OESFD OOP
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I think what he could have that he's calling a shove with: Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 3,476 games 0.005 secs 695,200 games/sec Board: 9s Jd Ts 3c Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 43.714% 39.53% 04.19% 1374 145.50 { QsJs } Hand 1: 56.286% 52.10% 04.19% 1811 145.50 { JcJh, JcJs, JhJs, TcTd, TcTh, TdTh, 9c9d, 9c9h, 9d9h, AcJc, AhJh, KcQc, KdQd, KhQh, QcJc, QhJh, QcTc, QdTd, QhTh, JcTc, JhTh, Jc9c, Jh9h, Tc9c, Td9d, Th9h, 87s, AcJh, AdJc, AdJh, AhJc, AsJc, AsJh, KcQd, KcQh, KdQc, KdQh, KhQc, KhQd, KsQc, KsQd, KsQh, QcJh, QcJs, QdJc, QdJh, QdJs, QhJc, QhJs, QcTd, QcTh, QdTc, QdTh, QhTc, QhTd, JcTd, JcTh, JhTc, JhTd, Jc9d, Jc9h, Jh9c, Jh9d, Tc9d, Tc9h, Td9c, Td9h, Th9c, Th9d, 87o } [/ QUOTE ] that is way too big of a range for someone who raises the turn at 50nl
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#14
11-12-2007, 08:06 PM
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Re: OESFD OOP
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[ QUOTE ] one of my rules is to open shove into any size pot with any size stack with an OESFD. S [/ QUOTE ] This is pretty terrible if you actually mean that. So you would bet $52.40 into the $3.75 flop? That is really really bad. [/ QUOTE ] yes, I actually meant that. most of the time, it doesn't mean much. But we are ahead most of the time that we either take the pot right there, or we embrace a little variance and usually take down a monster. Plus, it confuses the hell out of ALL of your opponents (as long as you don't show when you aren't called). edit: this is usually in a retardedly loose/agg game. sometimes I'll just grossly overbet the pot, sometimes crai. Then again, it's been a while since I've sat in a tight game.
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#16
11-12-2007, 08:10 PM
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Re: OESFD OOP
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i guess the QT and and QJ hands. but rest of range looks good on second reading [/ QUOTE ] Yea..they might not raise either. I think that this is pretty close. At the table I'm pretty sure I would always shove here.
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#17
11-12-2007, 08:16 PM
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Re: OESFD OOP
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[ QUOTE ] i guess the QT and and QJ hands. but rest of range looks good on second reading [/ QUOTE ] Yea..they might not raise either. I think that this is pretty close. At the table I'm pretty sure I would always shove here. [/ QUOTE ] if you would always shove here, how much FE do you think we really have?
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#18
11-12-2007, 08:21 PM
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Re: OESFD OOP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i guess the QT and and QJ hands. but rest of range looks good on second reading [/ QUOTE ] Yea..they might not raise either. I think that this is pretty close. At the table I'm pretty sure I would always shove here. [/ QUOTE ] if you would always shove here, how much FE do you think we really have? [/ QUOTE ] Not really that much. But I don't think we need him to fold much to make it +ev. And I'll take the metagame aspect of if he folds don't raise my turn bet or else.....and if he calls you then people will see you 3bet the turn with a seemingly weakish hand. A call might be better, but all of our outs are pretty obvious. Yea I like definitely just shove here especially since at the table I don't have a ton of time to think.
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