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Old 11-11-2007, 10:20 PM
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Default Re: Is this the right way to play, or should I have just called the fl

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I donīt think cr/fold is optimal. Not only do you have decent showdown value, you have 25% equity vs AA. All that just went out the window. I would just call unless I am prepared to call a push.

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My thinking in raising these hands is that a lot of the deck is a scare card, so I want to end the hand now. If he wants to call and we keep seeing rags, I'm gonna keep firing, but do you think it's good to protect against overs, or is that too iffy to raise on?
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:23 PM
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Default Re: Is this the right way to play, or should I have just called the fl

bah i missed that you c/r - but ya basically you have to always think "if villain shoves, am I willing to call?"

If the answer is no, then don't raise / check-raise.
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: Is this the right way to play, or should I have just called the fl

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bah i missed that you c/r - but ya basically you have to always think "if villain shoves, am I willing to call?"

If the answer is no, then don't raise / check-raise.

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I don't think this is a rule that should be followed 100%
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:26 PM
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Default Re: Is this the right way to play, or should I have just called the fl

traz- ya I agree. Could you elaborate a bit more on it, maybe with some examples?

I've been running a lot of hands similar to OP's here by people and often feel lost as well.
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:28 PM
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Default Re: Is this the right way to play, or should I have just called the fl

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bah i missed that you c/r - but ya basically you have to always think "if villain shoves, am I willing to call?"

If the answer is no, then don't raise / check-raise.

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I don't think that is true at all. I've check-raised plenty of times, right here it was for info. I've paid out, what, 5? If we just played bet-call the whole way I'd be paying out way more, and if he's ahead, he's likely to stay that way.

Maybe the c-r was a bad plan but I don't buy the reasoning that I have to call a shove.
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:30 PM
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Default Re: Is this the right way to play, or should I have just called the fl

The thing is though - why do you want to turn 99 into a bluff?

You have an overpair + gutshot draw.

On a board like 765, I think you'll pretty much be way ahead/way behind any villain that's willing to call a raise. (tons of 2 pair options, and every other overpair has you crushed)
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:32 PM
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Default Re: Is this the right way to play, or should I have just called the fl

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bah i missed that you c/r - but ya basically you have to always think "if villain shoves, am I willing to call?"

If the answer is no, then don't raise / check-raise.

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I don't think this is a rule that should be followed 100%

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If you cr a cb on a very wet flop it is probably a good thing to think about.
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:33 PM
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The thing is though - why do you want to turn 99 into a bluff?

You have an overpair + gutshot draw.

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I wasn't bluffing. I was pretty confident I had the best hand. Now he's told me I don't. My overpair is liable to become an underpair on the next two cards very easily. My check-raise is a statement, "I don't believe your c-bet on this ragged board. I have a hand here." If I check behind, I have to play the whole hand defensively in the likely case that a 10+ falls.

Do you recommend I just call down and ignore overs, and call it a bad beat if he hits?
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Old 11-11-2007, 11:00 PM
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Default Re: Is this the right way to play, or should I have just called the fl

You don't raise just because you have the best hand though - you should be making a raise if:

(1) you can get a worse hand to fold
(2) for value against a hand that will call

Which is it in this case? Are we really trying to extract value out of A7?
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Old 11-11-2007, 11:07 PM
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Default Re: Is this the right way to play, or should I have just called the fl

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The thing is though - why do you want to turn 99 into a bluff?

You have an overpair + gutshot draw.

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I wasn't bluffing. I was pretty confident I had the best hand. Now he's told me I don't.

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What worse hands did you expect him to flat your cr with?
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