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Old 11-08-2007, 12:07 AM
Sorcerer808 Sorcerer808 is offline
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Default Re: flopped set ve PF Reraiser...whats my line?

I raise to $40. What hands will he stack off on the turn that he wouldn't shove over our raise? I don't see any except if he hits one of his six outs in case of two OCs.

Too many cards can kill our action on the turn and he might c/f thinking "he either just hit his draw or has a better OP than me, I fold".
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Old 11-08-2007, 12:18 AM
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Default Re: flopped set ve PF Reraiser...whats my line?

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calling sucks...this is the exact board that villain would insta-get-it-in with an OP. (ZOMG draw plz hold- ah [censored])

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if his entire range was overpairs then calling would suck, but being that it is not calling is fine
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Old 11-08-2007, 12:30 AM
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Default Re: flopped set ve PF Reraiser...whats my line?

raaaaaaaise... try to play a big pot.

the turn is much more likely to scare a big hand than it is to lock in a weaker one.
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Old 11-08-2007, 12:36 AM
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Default Re: flopped set ve PF Reraiser...whats my line?

i also like a raise... someone mentioned he'll put you on a draw and i agree
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Old 11-08-2007, 12:39 AM
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Default Re: flopped set ve PF Reraiser...whats my line?

Snap raise unless he has a wide 3 bet range. Even if a draw card hits, he will probably pay you off with an overpair.
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Old 11-08-2007, 12:41 AM
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Default Re: flopped set ve PF Reraiser...whats my line?

Calling is probably best. I wouldn't be concerned about an 'action killing' overcard on the turn. If he has nothing and is aggro then that card turns into a great card for him to bluff on with a board texture like this. And if it's a Q and he has JJ, for example, he's probably not going to just check/fold since it really doesn't make a ton of sense for you to have a Q.

Raising is 'okay', but I really would only raise here to balance my bluff / thinner value raises. In a vacuum, I think calling is significantly more likely to extract more value.
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Old 11-08-2007, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: flopped set ve PF Reraiser...whats my line?

raise the flop definitely. it is the only thing you can do. raise big as well
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Old 11-08-2007, 01:39 AM
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Default Re: flopped set ve PF Reraiser...whats my line?

Also another note re: call vs raise. If this guy is reraising light, which may easily be the case here after he's reraised a CO then BTN open twice in a row, but is just completely shutting down if you call on flops like this (unless he has a monster) and letting you showdown (or take free cards) with any hand you want, then you're going to make a ton of money off of him since that style of play makes reraising light one of the spewiest plays possible.

On the other hand, if he's not reraising light then you're often either looking at a big overpair here in which the case the money is getting in the middle by the river almost always anyhow, or two big overcards which have to fold to a raise, but might 'catch up' on the turn.
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Old 11-08-2007, 01:44 AM
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Default Re: flopped set ve PF Reraiser...whats my line?

calling to hope he "catches up" by hitting one of 6 cards (that he may or may not be willing to felt) is stupid when we can raise/get it in vs OP hands that slow down when when half the deck falls.
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Old 11-08-2007, 01:47 AM
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Default Re: flopped set ve PF Reraiser...whats my line?

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raaaaaaaise... try to play a big pot.

the turn is much more likely to scare a big hand than it is to lock in a weaker one.

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WTF ike it's already a big pot <100BB deep.

Call, bet the turn if checked to, go broke no matter what, this is super-standard.
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